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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

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To: beyond the sea

“We would be all better off if we would ask the other party what he or she thinks instead of telling them. It's almost always a mischaracterization, and it brings more heat than light.”

Similarly worded...

"Those that do not know their opponents arguments do not truely know their own."


4,701 posted on 04/04/2005 6:57:47 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: MEG33

Yeah, I guess I made some people uncomfortable when I posted links to the statements they denied existed. It would have been so much more pleasant around here if I had just let the masquerade continue.


4,702 posted on 04/04/2005 7:04:36 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler - http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Doohickey; verity
This, from the guy who is posting Hitler pics on another thread.

That was a very good use of a Hitler picture. The article was saying how Greer was church goer, Republican, (something else?), and last but not least, a dog lover. So me posting the picture of Hitler sitting there with his dog, was a way to mock the reporter for the stupid implied point "Gee, he's a dog lover, he must be a good person". Next time I'll post a picture of Joe Stalin petting a dog intead, so you don't get excited.

4,703 posted on 04/04/2005 7:05:16 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: MrDem

I see you dropped on in Sept of 2001 and did not reappear til April 1st, 2005..Hmmmm, Mr. Dem


4,704 posted on 04/04/2005 7:08:06 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

dropped in on


4,705 posted on 04/04/2005 7:10:29 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: unbalanced but fair
I believe the founders said it was his 'duty'.
4,706 posted on 04/04/2005 7:14:21 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: MrDem

If only Kerry were President.


4,707 posted on 04/04/2005 7:17:56 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

No, try June 2001


4,708 posted on 04/04/2005 7:18:32 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Well stated post Trinity.

Thank you for all your efforts, hard work and well reasoned posts.

4,709 posted on 04/04/2005 7:19:25 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: MrDem

Long vacation..Mr Dem


4,710 posted on 04/04/2005 7:19:41 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: jwalsh07
Well, OK, Jwalsh. I truly have not formulated my position on this. I think your position of government intervening only when there's an "absolute necessity" is too simplistic, as the line of absolute necessity is subjective. If someone were to write it as a law how would it read? How do you define "family member"? Are all family members given equal power in this situation? What misdeeds of spouses warrant their losing their voice in these decisions? I could present hundreds of scenarios that fall into gray areas. What if Terri's husband were a jerk but her only other relative was crazy Aunt Sadie from Toledo?

If the federal (or state for that matter) government is going to make some law about this it had better be a damn good law, and frankly I don't trust our government to make some "one-size-fits-all" law that will protect individual freedom (not just the freedom to live, but the decision to live your life as you see fit). If there is a law passed, as many here have proposed, that says the state must always err on the side of life the result would be that any conflict that reaches the state level would be decided only one way. That means you better have a great way to decide what reaches the state, because that will really be the determining factor. I don't have a great way to decide that, and I don't think you do either.

Now people will jump in and say that Terri's case was clear-cut, blah,blah,blah, Michael's a terrible husband, etc. But I am not talking about Terri, I'm talking about where do we go from here? Terri's dead, but we're still here, so what do we do now? Do we want to change the laws and if so then how?

As bad as the present system is I have yet to hear of a better one. I think I am like most Americans in that I don't want my decisions made for me by the government if I am disabled. And I don't want the government telling me "well you should have had a living will, tough luck, buddy". It's none of their freaking business, they're plenty intrusive enough already.

4,711 posted on 04/04/2005 7:21:46 PM PDT by Randjuke
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To: MEG33

I like to lurk... :)


4,712 posted on 04/04/2005 7:26:17 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: Randjuke
If there is a law passed, as many here have proposed, that says the state must always err on the side of life the result would be that any conflict that reaches the state level would be decided only one way.

That law already exists, it's called the fifth and fourteenth amendments of the Constitution.

4,713 posted on 04/04/2005 7:27:08 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (God bless Pope John Paul II!)
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To: MrDem

There is no good use of a Hitler picture other than in a history book.


4,714 posted on 04/04/2005 7:27:34 PM PDT by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: MrDem

Sure you do,Mr Dem.


4,715 posted on 04/04/2005 7:28:27 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Trinity_Tx

I want to tell you how much many of us have appreciated all your posts and the information you took the trouble to gather. I know I certainly do. I wanted to think that most of the more malicious posters were people who only wanted to disrupt and divide. After the last day or so I'm not so sure. I think allowing it to run its course was a bad idea, but that's just my opinion. I'm not going to go into detail, but I just have a bad feeling about where all this is headed. I hope I'm wrong.
At any rate, I've decided not to spend any more time on it also. I've discussed it with family, friends, coworkers, etc. These are the opinions that truly count. So go hug your family. They're the ones who matter. I get to see the little munchkin again on Thursday and life goes on. It always does. Thanks again. It's been really nice to get to know you too.


4,716 posted on 04/04/2005 7:30:36 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: Trinity_Tx

God bless you and the rest of the WPPFF! Trinity, thank you VERY much for all your hard work in bringing facts to bear in this case. We can disagree on lots of things, but we really need the facts to base our opinions on unless we want to sink into DU-style "feelings."


4,717 posted on 04/04/2005 7:52:27 PM PDT by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: Trinity_Tx

I'm done as well, Trinity. Thanks for all your hard work, I appreciated all of the links.

Be well.


4,718 posted on 04/04/2005 8:13:29 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: Long Cut
Ah, sanity.

Tremendous post.

4,719 posted on 04/04/2005 8:32:27 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: MrDem
That was a very good use of a Hitler picture.

Not hardly.

4,720 posted on 04/04/2005 8:39:45 PM PDT by mhking (If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!)
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