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Maybe! (Santorum is about to become Ex-Senator Santorum)
Politics PA ^ | Uncertain | Dr. G. Terry Madonna , Dr. Michael Young

Posted on 03/29/2005 6:40:35 AM PST by Conservative Goddess

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To: FlipWilson

If, according to the article, SAINTorum is voting for more and more leftist ideas, how do you know that he won't 'reach out' to the Dems by voting for the Fairness Doctrine?

Since you bring them up, how is that drug bill and education bill conservative? Why did he vote to restore the spending that was being cut? Where do you see conservatism in these votes?

The point is that he cannot be trusted to do what he says. He's already proven it in more ways than one. At what point will you save 'enough'?


141 posted on 03/29/2005 11:27:40 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.)
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To: section9; PhiKapMom; aculeus; general_re; Poohbah; BlueLancer; All
Bump for #99.

(Tiny nitpick, the tactic doesn't seem all that new.)

142 posted on 03/29/2005 11:30:39 AM PST by dighton
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To: Antoninus

No, it means I can tell the difference between one of 100 senators, and 1 of 1 Presidents. Perhaps you've failed to notice, there is a striking difference.

I voted against Kerry, not necessarily for Bush.


143 posted on 03/29/2005 11:31:35 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Conservative Goddess
What you are saying is that Santorum made a political decision.

I thought I was asking you a question. Twice in fact. If it will help, I'll highlight it. Can't you answer it?

Now, do you really think it is a viable position for a senator to disresepect the senior senator from his own state and party and the President of the US as well?

If we continue to rubber stamp our ballots, because so called Republicans are the lesser of the evils, we'll simply elect those who have no allegiance to the electorate.

Again, you confuse "the electorate" with your own views. You and the rest of "the base" are not enough to win, especially in a state like PA.

Now, be kind enough to explain to me how disrespecting your own senior senator (who helped you get elected in the first place) and your president is not a "suicidal" position. How does that dynamic work? How does Santorum get anything done if he has alienated all these members of his party? How does he get re-elected with only his base and no help from the rest of his party?

Please try to answert these questions and not just kneejerk another emotional response.

SD

144 posted on 03/29/2005 11:32:47 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: B Knotts

You're right. He was under pressure. And he caved to the demands of the party rather than hold true to his stated convictions. Do you find that admirable? I don't.

They want reelected. When reelection is more important than the principles that they ran on, it's time to replace them. They're infected with Potomac Fever and the only cure is to get them out of DC.


145 posted on 03/29/2005 11:32:53 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.)
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To: Badray
Do you find that admirable?

No, I don't, and I said so at the time.

The problem is: the alternative to re-electing Sen. Santorum is almost certainly worse.

146 posted on 03/29/2005 11:34:59 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: jammer

So, you just cut off your nose to spite your face (as my grandmother used to say) and go ahead and withhold your vote from Santorum. Why don't you spend some of that negativsm trying to defeat Rendell?


147 posted on 03/29/2005 11:36:10 AM PST by Eva
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To: SoothingDave
I'm under no illusions, which is an insult. Of course, neither party's base is large enough.

The secret is, as has been stated above and in other threads, leadership which convinces the ignorant "undecided" masses.

Your entire post is arguing against a premise that isn't held, wasn't asserted, and wasn't needed by my arguments.

148 posted on 03/29/2005 11:40:04 AM PST by jammer
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To: SoothingDave

YUP. I sure do. Edmund Burke, and English philospher and statesman best known for defense of sound constitutional statesmanship against prevailing abuse and misgovernment, said: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Rick did more than nothing. He actively supported Specter, a man known for his rabid pro-choice position. I suppose you could argue that Santorum merely did nothing as Arlen ascended. I will not reward frank malfeasance or misfeasance with my vote.


149 posted on 03/29/2005 11:40:12 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Antoninus

So be it. "You people are so predictable." Like a whore takes money to do anything, you'll swallow any argument, just for a Pubbie. Sheesh.


150 posted on 03/29/2005 11:41:29 AM PST by jammer
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To: PhiKapMom
"if you don't like something a conservative did then you are going to show everyone by voting in the RAT."

Still haven't read the article, I see.

It's not 'one thing' that he did that we disapprove of, the article lists about a dozen. That number is increasing and the nature of those votes is distressing. It shows a mindset other than conservative.

151 posted on 03/29/2005 11:43:26 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.)
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To: jammer
I'm under no illusions, which is an insult. Of course, neither party's base is large enough.

Your talk of "punishing heresy" speaks for itself. It's a shame you are not operating under this illusion, for that would be correctable. As it is, you seem delighted to cut off your nose to spite your face.

SD

152 posted on 03/29/2005 11:46:14 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Eva

I'm not there or I would. You don't want to open the book about my support, financial and footwork, over the last 30 years of Republicans. You would be ashamed of the implications of your post.


153 posted on 03/29/2005 11:47:19 AM PST by jammer
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To: Conservative Goddess
YUP. I sure do.

You sure do what? I asked you a question, three times. Why can't you answer it?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

The irony of this is lost on you, as you sit on your thumbs while Casey gets elected and the GOP gets farther away from a fillibuster-proof Senate.

SD

154 posted on 03/29/2005 11:48:09 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: MadIvan
One misjudgement does not (usually), a bad senator make.

I know that we get in the habit of ignoring the press, but before you comment on a comment, read the damn article. Show me where the article is wrong in the facts. Forget the conclusion. Come to your own, but look at the evidence presented first.

155 posted on 03/29/2005 11:49:42 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.)
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To: Conservative Goddess

You keep your messiah complex, I'll stay in my stupor.


156 posted on 03/29/2005 11:49:47 AM PST by YCTHouston (Come and take it.)
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To: Badray
Still haven't read the article, I see.

Nor you.

It's not 'one thing' that he did that we disapprove of, the article lists about a dozen. That number is increasing and the nature of those votes is distressing. It shows a mindset other than conservative.

From the article:

What its analysis reveals is that Pennsylvania’s junior senator consistently shifts toward the center in those years just before his reelection.

What about this quote, from the article, do you find hard to understand?

Hillary Clinton is "shifting toward the center" as well. But none of us believe her. Why do you believe Santorum's electioneering and posturing is more indicative of his true self than his solid, over-time conservative ACU record?

SD

157 posted on 03/29/2005 11:50:27 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Badray

Exactly. . . .we must get REVENGE!!!! Even if that means shooting ourselves to do it. Quick grab the matches and gasoline!!!


158 posted on 03/29/2005 11:51:15 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: SoothingDave

Here, let me spell it out for you. I'll type real slow so that maybe you'll catch my drift.

YES, RICK SANTORUM SHOULD HAVE DEFIED THE PARTY ESTABLISHMENT.

Clear enough for you?


159 posted on 03/29/2005 11:52:11 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Conservative Goddess
YES, RICK SANTORUM SHOULD HAVE DEFIED THE PARTY ESTABLISHMENT. Clear enough for you?

Good, now we're getting somewhere. Now, to continue:

Now, be kind enough to explain to me how disrespecting your own senior senator (who helped you get elected in the first place) and your president is not a "suicidal" position. How does that dynamic work? How does Santorum get anything done if he has alienated all these members of his party? How does he get re-elected with only his base and no help from the rest of his party?

SD

160 posted on 03/29/2005 11:56:29 AM PST by SoothingDave
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