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I have really seen things on FR, that I never thought I would see...people on the verge of hysteria, people calling everyone who does not agree with them as 'Nazis', 'Hitler-sympathizers', 'ghouls', 'trolls', and of course, the oft required hurl of 'newbie'...often the poster crying 'newbie', is actually newer than the one he is denigrating...obviously that poster is either too lazy to see when the other poster joined FR, or is too stupid to find out...

And then there is all the gossip, inuendo, and outright lies that have been flying around...I have seen on thread after thread, where posters are claiming that its against the Catholic religion for its members to be cremated...now, that is just not true...I know, because since I am not Catholic, I asked the question about this, and was told by many Catholics that cremation is indeed allowed, and was referred to many Catholic sites stating as much....but there are still those 'liars', or simply 'uninformed' poster, yelling out loud, that its against the Catholic church to be cremated...

And then there are those, who insist on calling Michael Shiavos children 'bastards'....they claim that they are doing so in the dictionary sense...baloney...we all know the Michaels Shiavos children were born out of wedlock...and so what?...there have been posters on FR, who had admitted they had children out of wedlock...should we ping them and to their faces call that child a 'bastard'...I dont think so....Whatever Michael Shiavo has or has not done, his children are innocent, they are not involved in this...

But there are posters who take obvious delight in denigrating these children.....to me, it takes a small, small mind do to such a thing...

And then there are the usual folks calling for an armed insurrection, thereby endangering everyone, including all those folk who are peacefully outside Terris hospice, demonstrating for her life...and the usual cries for boycotting everything from Florida, and encouraging all Floridians to flee, as now 'killers' will go through the nursing homes, and rip out everyones feed tube...nothing like needlessly scaring the old folk...

Look, here is how I feel about this case...its not about what Tom Delay wants, its not about what Pres. Bush wants, its not about what Gov. Jeb Bush wants, its not about what Terris parents wants, its not about what Michael Shiavo wants...and its certainly not about what anyone on FR wants...It should only be about what Terri Shiavo wants...
And at least to me, we do not have a clear cut idea of what she would have wanted...its not clear, not clear at all...and its just my opinion on this, but when we are not sure what she would have wanted, then we must assume that she would have wanted to live, and here I agree with Pres. Bush, we should err on the side of life...

But some of the behavior on FR has been appalling...some of the absolute worst name-calling has been on these Terri threads...people are outright lying about things, people are presenting purely gossip, as being fact, people are just seething...I suppose we could put all this down to people being emotionally distraught...this has been a very sad case, and feelings are raw, on both sides of this issue...I just think there are good people on both sides of this issue, just as there are bad people on both sides...

And yet there have been eloquent posts written by many posters, rationally explaining their position for believing as they do...sometimes its based on their gut feelings, sometimes its based on past experiences with their loved ones in a medical crisis, sometimes we get their real feelings on what they would wish for their own life...

We have seen it all here on FR, the very very good, and the very very bad...