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Search Suspended For Fla. Girl (Jessica Lunsford)
Fox News ^ | March 1, 2005 | AP

Posted on 03/01/2005 6:28:07 AM PST by MisterRepublican

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To: Netizen
Did you catch the panel on Greta this evening?

First the dad and Jessica's cousin made a brief appearance, then Greta questioned Mark Fuhrman.

Mark was very somber and said the case didn't smell right. He said it was "wet" out that night/morning and the absence of footprints or carpet tracks was odd. He said the scene didn't lend itself to an abduction, etc. No sign of forced entry. Nothing out of place. He didn't hesitate to show his suspicious that the child wasn't forcefully taken from the home. Dog didn't bark and the toy dolphin missing were Red Flags.

Biden agreed with him.

Greta agreed with both of them...it's "odd".

The panel were abit uncomfortable saying these things, but OTOH they are professionals.

sw

341 posted on 03/02/2005 8:24:17 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
The intruder would have had to be on foot, at least for a short distance because hewouldn't want his car to be spotted.

If the intruder did that, there would have been footprints and dirt on the carpet, which were absent.

BTW, the Grandparents have said that if someone had driven up they would have awakened from the noise.

You can see why LE are having a difficult time with this. She just vanished.

sw

342 posted on 03/02/2005 8:32:56 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: checkitall

I didn't know that. Hmmm.


343 posted on 03/02/2005 8:39:21 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Breaking & Entering -- Isn't the *United States* our home?)
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To: spectre

All of it breaks my heart.


344 posted on 03/02/2005 8:40:50 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Breaking & Entering -- Isn't the *United States* our home?)
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To: Netizen

Mark Lunsford, Krystal Kirkland (a cousin) and Mark Furman were on Greta.
Furman spoke with some common sense.
His points:

It just does fit right.
An unlocked door.
The father is with his girlfriend.
2 sleeping adults.
The complete lack of forensics.
He had heard it was damp, yet no footprints.
Someone knew he would not be home.

If I had to guess, I would say the probability of Mark Lunsford using meth was high. That does not make him a killer. But it defines the company he keeps.

Here is my theory.
(I know first hand about meth, as my son is fighting a meth addiction.)

I suspect there is a high degree of meth use in their neighborhood. Meth users will do anything, steal from anyone for their meth. Long time users lose any moral frame of reference they have. Meth is their life. Since they do not sleep for days (or weeks), they are quite the night animals and roamers.

I think someone the family knows took Jessica. The motive was not an abduction, but robbery. As I said, meth users would steal from Jesus Christ himself to pay the dealer. It had to be someone Jessica loved and trusted, otherwise there would have been signs of a struggle.

Maybe that person was visiting earlier, unlocked the front door knowing what he planned to do that evening.

It would explain the dog not barking loudly.
Perhaps the dog & woke Jessica. "What are you doing here?"

Now the intruder is really in a corner. He can't tell her not to tell anyone. In his mind, he is left with one option-get her out of the house so she cannot tell. She goes easliy because it is someone she loves and trusts. "Here honey, take your dolphin."

We know the rest of the story...

I thought the cousin's affect was strange tonight. Her eyes wandered excessively. The story she told about asking Jessica to go hiking seemed out of place.

Her face had that blank look that only someone who has lived with a meth user knows. It did not look like she was trying to "put on a brave face." Her eyes were blank.

I am not saying she did it. But I would look at her and her friends very closley. When my son was using, her was dating a girl who had me fooled. I thought she was good for him and even encouraged that relationship. Turns out, she was a bigger user than she was. They are masters of deception and will betray anyone.

That's my theory and I promise, the only one I will offer.


345 posted on 03/02/2005 8:41:07 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Your theory was welcome. It certainly sounds reasonable.

If this is the case, then she may very well be alive. I know what you mean by Meth users, they can lie with a straight face, and are very convincing.

I'm hoping the very silent Grandfather is the key to finding the child.

My heart goes out to you and your son. Regards, sw

346 posted on 03/02/2005 8:50:37 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Netizen

One more part of my theory and then I'm done LOL!
Grandpa has not been seen in a while and there has been speculation. I admit, I am guilty of suspecting Grandpa.

But the cops are not stupid. They read these boards. They know what people are saying and speculating. When Grandpa's brother died and people started whispering, perhaps LE saw an opportunity. Keep Grandpa our of sight, let people talk and maybe someone will get sloppy.

The only consolation in this is that if it was someone Jessica loved, her chances may be somewhat better than we think. God, I hope so.


347 posted on 03/02/2005 8:50:45 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: spectre

He is doing well, but it is a struggle for all.

I still do not trust him as far as I can throw him and keep everything of value locked up.


348 posted on 03/02/2005 8:59:53 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: All

Well your right about the drug use in that neighborhood ..I have heard in the past from a 100% trusted source that meth has been tried ...don't know if it was a habit or not ,but from another source saying ( it deffineately is a habit after even trying it) Makes you wonder why some people at a supposedly knowledgeable age would use drug's knowing how addictive they are.

Hmmm , so now we have "speculated" that drug money may be involved ....Wow this is getting really complicated ..But I feel that this could very well be the answer.....her disappearence could have been totally staged,would account for NO CLUES LEFT BEHIND ....Does anyone happen to know ..if there is an insurance policy on someone ..how long must someone be missing before there are any rights to the funds??


349 posted on 03/02/2005 9:13:03 PM PST by checkitall
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

From a post at cybersleuths.com :

"Jessica has a cousin, older, married, lives in the same neighborhood. Kristy Kirkland. This cousin got busted 8/2004 for possession of 20gs of pot. Busted again shortly thereafter for failure to appear. Her husband got popped 12/2004 for domestic violence, cutting off a 911 call, and cruelty to animals (slamming a dog's head into a tree).

At the house at the time were two children: 2 and 9. I don't have an age for Kristy, but she does not look old enough to have a 9yr old, and in the police report that describes the incident, the two children are not identified as hers. I believe the 9yr old was Jessica Lunsford.

So, if you're looking for suspects, you'd probably find a house full of them over at Cousin Kristy's house."

Interesting....

Cookie


350 posted on 03/02/2005 9:30:04 PM PST by cookiedough
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To: cookiedough
Cookie, that info is very interesting and so terribly sad and depressing. Praying hard tonight for Jessica.
351 posted on 03/02/2005 9:41:41 PM PST by varina davis
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To: varina davis

Hi Varina,

The grandfather is supposed to have a polygraph test either tonight (Weds) or tomorrow, according to a broadcast I viewed online at Tampa's channel 10 news (don't have the URL).

The sheriff sure isn't wasting time -- he's got people from the state, the FBI, missing children's organizations, and so forth involved in this.

I hope it's not the grandfather who took her. I'm terribly afraid that the local cousin's husband or one of his friends whom Jessie might know, is involved.

The sheriff said that the profiler told him to look close to home -- meaning school, church, family, friends, neighbors, and so forth.

I wonder if they've ruled out the mother, or someone taking Jessie on her behalf? Would Jessie go with someone who promised to take her to her mother, or who said her mother was waiting for her outside? Maybe. It doesn't even have to involve her mother, come to think of it. A person could lie about that and lure a motherless little girl out of the house.

I know my daughter, who is Jessie's age, wants me around all the time. Jessie certainly sees her friend's relationships with their mothers, and she probably yearns for a mom of her own.

I think it was also at cybersleuths.com that I saw a link to a NC criminal history website. A man named Archie Lunsford had an arrest record for a couple of DUIs and some kind of physical assault (not sexual), but it dated back to 1972. I think it's the grandfather only because his name is Archie, and the family has ties to NC. There was nothing more recent on the NC record. But that doesn't mean the man doesn't have a criminal history in FL.

Of course, LE has already checked that out. I figure nothing came of it because if it had, they would have grabbed the grandfather right away instead of waiting a week to polygraph him.

I'm praying for Jessie and her family, too. I sure hope this has a happy ending.

Cookie


352 posted on 03/02/2005 11:12:54 PM PST by cookiedough
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To: cookiedough

I read the post you mentioned. The poster certainly seemed to know what he was talking about. He referenced the police report (although there were no direct quotes or anything to docement what he said was true.)

I wish I knew a few more details. (Like I am going to solve this in my PJ's LOL!)

Where is the husband now? In jail? Did he bond out? If so, was a condition of his bond requiring he stay away from the house and Krystal? Does he have a prior record? Was he living at home in December?

If he is out of jail and not in the home, where is he staying? Close by? How close does Krystal live to Mark? Walking distance?

Was what happened in December a normal occurence for them? It sounds like he was in a rage--the rage of a tweaker.

Krystal was busted for failure to appear. That in and of itself speaks volumes. Does she have a prior record?

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that this was not the act of a sexual predator. I may be wrong about the meth, but I am convinced it is in some way drug related.


353 posted on 03/03/2005 5:54:21 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I disagree with you about a sexual predator not being involved. I posted the following in another thread: It appears there a lot of sex offenders in that area for such a small population. I compared the stats from Citrus County, FL with the county in which I live:
Location Population Reg. Offenders
Citrus County, FL 126,458 207
Delaware County, PA 550,000 260
Homosassa 2300 50

Very high number of sexual offenders per 1000 people in any area of the country. I looked at the sexual offenders website in Florida and found not only their names but their addresses as well. I cross referenced the addresses with the Lunsfords. One guy apparently lives right behind their house on the next street. If I was LE I would be concentrating on who Jessica spoke with the night before. I'd be questioning her friends, the grandparents close friends, the neighbors who live within 50-100 feet [do any of the neighbors have dogs? did they bark?] etc. I'm just amazed at the posts in this thread. They seem to concentrate on father's looks, hairstyle, sex life, and nothing about the high number of sex offenders that reside in little town. Believe me, the place is crawling with pervs.
354 posted on 03/03/2005 6:38:06 AM PST by ToldUso (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: Chena
The hair cut is called a "mullet" .. it was adopted from some of the hockey players in Canada.. but is usually worn by meth druggies... now that I have said this.. let me expand on my theory... never tell a person's character by his/her looks, speech etc.. however, when looking at an event such as this.. everything should be explored.. my point: does he have meth/drug friends.. did he meet up with some one at the carnival where he is said to have "won" the purple toy? Did that person come to the window and talk Jessica out of the trailer to perhaps exchange the toy... ???? .. Does the father have other "meth-type" friends... the family situation is obviously strained - eg: the mother. I am not an expert.. do not claim to be.. it is just that in these cases.. everything needs to be explored and examined.. by the way, it may turn out that he has the "mullet" because he thinks it looks good on him... who knows? However, it is imperative that we keep Jessica in our prayers and also pray that this family finds hope and peace in the coming days.
355 posted on 03/03/2005 6:42:36 AM PST by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: ToldUso; All
It bothers me that the media is not keeping the Jessica case very high profile. They sure did with the Smart family in Utah. Of course, the Smarts were very savvy about media, etc. The sheriff here is a very good man with a reputation for getting things done. He won't rest until he closes the case, I'm sure.
356 posted on 03/03/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by varina davis
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To: ToldUso
You are on target. however, when looking at this event - everything must be explored - appearances, speech tone/modulation, friends, sex life, associations etc... - I am sure that PD is doing just that.. however, your point about close offenders is absolutely correct.. I feel sure that PD is on the local perps.. I still think something is unusual about the purple toy.. see my previous post.. While this discussion is very interesting - and I am sure monitored ... the bottom line for me is Jessica and her safety.. My prayers are focusing on her well-being ... Have a terrific day.. gotta get to work...
357 posted on 03/03/2005 6:51:56 AM PST by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: ToldUso

Answers to some of my questions :
from
http://www.sheriffcitrus.org/Webpages/fpDailRepo.htm
using their search engine.




12/27/2004 KIRKLAND, KENNETH SCOTT W M 11/26/1971
04006634 (Booking number)

84.03.1* - BATTERY (MISD) - DOMESTIC NO BOND
914.22 - TAMPER W/ WITNESS/VICTIM/INFORMANT 500
828.12 - CRUELTY TO ANIMALS 500



8/31/2004 KIRKLAND, KRISTY LYNN W F 02/01/1981
04004485
843.15# - FTA/MISDEMEANOR 5,000



6/3/2004KIRKLAND, KRISTY LYNN W F 02/01/1981
04002854
893.13.6.B - POSSESS 20 GRAMS CANNABIS/MJ OR LESS ROR
893.147 - DRUG PARAPHERNALIA ROR



Note Kenneth's charge of TAMPER W/WITNESS/VICTIM/INFORMANT

Sounds to me like maybe Kristy was going to roll up.
It is leaning (IMHO) more and more away from a predatory crime.


358 posted on 03/03/2005 7:02:35 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: ToldUso

BTW--I hope my last post to you did not read as a "You are so wrong!" post.

I did not mean it that way at all. Sometimes once it is posted, it reads nothing like we think it. Been there done that many times.

None of us know, really. We speculate and base our speculations on our own frame of references. I thought at first it was a sexual predator until somethings started nagging at me, based on my own family's experience.

But as someone mentioned, Jessica's safe return is the only important issue right now.


359 posted on 03/03/2005 7:16:23 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I'm sure what those listings you posted are but here is the link to the 'neighbor out back'.

http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/sexual_predators/OffenderFlyer.asp?keys=6575


360 posted on 03/03/2005 7:48:56 AM PST by ToldUso (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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