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Laboratory Speciation in Helianthus Evolves a Native Species
furball4paws
Posted on 02/15/2005 7:12:00 AM PST by furball4paws
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To: PatrickHenry
Get back to me when you can show a fish giving birth to a bullfrogBzzzt! Wrong!! Instead, would be a fish giving birth to a moose. (Bullfrogs being close to water are not suitable for this type of argument). The species may be too similar.
To: RadioAstronomer
(Bullfrogs being close to water are not suitable for this type of argument). The species may be too similar. Right. Same "kind." (Whatever that means.)
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:34:22 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
To: PatrickHenry
"Get back to me when you can show a fish giving birth to a bullfrog"
Finally the subject gets back to Barbara Boxer
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:36:29 AM PST
by
RtWngr
(Being tolerant of the intolerant is pretty stupid actually.)
To: furball4paws
"A new species was obtained from the crossing of two separate species. I am sorry that is the definition of evolution."
No, it is not classical Darwinian evolution it is plant hybridization. However, you go ahead an interpret it as you chose - you will anyway.
However, like I said before - stop wasting bandwidth with posts that are only done to insult and irritate others.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:36:49 AM PST
by
Sola Veritas
(Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
To: furball4paws
H. annuus and H. pertiolarus fallax are evolutionary ancestors of H. anomalus, H. deserticola and H. paradoxus.
Which means absolutely nothing if H. annuus and H. pertiolarus fallax have always been H. annuus and H. pertiolarus fallax and have always produced H. anomalus, H. deserticola and H. paradoxus hybrids since God created them.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:37:41 AM PST
by
UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
To: furball4paws
The creos will ignore this post so they can come back later and make claims it refutes.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:38:17 AM PST
by
Junior
(FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
To: furball4paws
10 seconds to a bah-bull quote.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:38:57 AM PST
by
MonroeDNA
(US OUT of the UN!)
To: RtWngr
"Finally the subject gets back to Barbara Boxer"
Finally something funny and worth reading.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:39:28 AM PST
by
Sola Veritas
(Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
To: PatrickHenry
I relaize that this stuff isn't an easy read for most people, but one does have to read it.
This new species produced in the laboratory, testing the ToE, produces a new species. This "new" species is the same as a naturally-occurring, native species. This experiment shows how a native species could have (and probably did) arisen/arise. It is an experiment of a kind that is not often available in studying evolution.
BTW a moose is too close to water too, How about a camel?
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:40:57 AM PST
by
furball4paws
(It's not the cough that carried him off - it's the coffin they carried him off in (O. Nash - I think)
To: furball4paws
most likely innovative selection from earlier speciae - all the way back to the Causa Prima.
To: Sola Veritas
I am sorry you are irritated and insulted. May I suggest a nice relaxing massage?
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:43:30 AM PST
by
furball4paws
(It's not the cough that carried him off - it's the coffin they carried him off in (O. Nash -I think))
To: Sola Veritas
Correct. Otherwise why would USPTO offer
Plant patents? "Variety" is the spice of
LIFE! Clearly another case of wishful independent thinking.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:45:09 AM PST
by
kinsman redeemer
(the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
To: furball4paws
"I am sorry you are irritated and insulted. May I suggest a nice relaxing massage?"
No, but you can explain to the admin moderator why you are intentionally attempting to pick a fight.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:46:48 AM PST
by
Sola Veritas
(Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
To: furball4paws
Let me be the first to say, Mendel told you so. Speciation by hybridization , he was right about that too.
"We meet with an essential difference in those hybrids which remain constant in their progeny and propagate themselves as truly as the pure species...For the history of the evolution of plants this circumstance is of special importance, since constant hybrids acquire the status of new species."
http://www.mendelweb.org/Mendel.html
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:49:53 AM PST
by
Varda
To: Sola Veritas
Here we have more microevolution. Horizontal variation is not controversial. How do they think all those different berries got on the shelf at the local market?
If they expect people to believe we evolved from slime, they need to do better than this! Where are the intermediates and fossils? They can talk about the origin of species all they want, but they should be trying to figure out the origin of phyla.
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:54:39 AM PST
by
Michael_Michaelangelo
(The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
To: furball4paws
How did we get moved to the smokey backroom?
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:56:02 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
To: furball4paws
I am sorry you are irritated and insulted. May I suggest a nice relaxing massage? Perhaps a time-out would be more in keeping with his attitude?
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posted on
02/15/2005 7:56:58 AM PST
by
balrog666
(A myth by any other name is still inane.)
To: Sola Veritas
Plant hybridization hardly proves evolution It just one of the many mechanisms of evolution, and this study is not limited to simply hybridization.
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posted on
02/15/2005 8:01:02 AM PST
by
Rudder
To: PatrickHenry
How did we get moved to the smokey backroom? Did you ever notice that the Cretinoids never seem to have a sense of humor? Must be some evolutionary trait that got eliminated via all that backwoods inbreeding.
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posted on
02/15/2005 8:01:03 AM PST
by
balrog666
(A myth by any other name is still inane.)
To: PatrickHenry
Well, so far I've heard that this isn't evolution, that we need to prove we came from slime, that hybridization proves nothing and that I am trying to start a fight.
These experiments are nice and tight, so they can't complain there. They are also not Earth shattering, just another nail in the coffin.
I've been as nice as I can be and you guys have tossed out some worms.
Oh well - par for the course.
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posted on
02/15/2005 8:02:09 AM PST
by
furball4paws
(It's not the cough that carried him off - it's the coffin they carried him off in (O. Nash -I think))
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