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Not so ‘Free Republic’: The Shot Heard Around the Net
The Conservative Voice ^ | Feb 11, 2005 | by William Gheen, President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC

Posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Once-Ler
This is a letter to the editor filled with distortions of truth and gross generalizations. A legitimate news source couldn't get away with publishing this tripe.

The author lives on the freakin' border, sees the trouble every day, and is former Border Patrol. I think he knows more about the situation then you ever will.

2,421 posted on 02/12/2005 9:06:35 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: bayourod

I understand the need more people part but they keep track of us-American's.We should be able to keep track of them.I met many and we get along and they add and do not take away but it scares me that the bad guys can get in.The Liberian's came and went when things settled down and a few of them were criminals using our system.I know only because I have a thrift store.


2,422 posted on 02/12/2005 9:07:22 PM PST by fatima (Still prayers for the Pope.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Thanks R L.I did not read this whole thread and did not get your post:).I know I am just dumb.


2,423 posted on 02/12/2005 9:18:41 PM PST by fatima (Still prayers for the Pope.)
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To: Czar; wardaddy
to stop the flood of illegal aliens and to otherwise control and monitor legal immigration to preserve our culture

Stopping the illegal immigration is one thing. Preserving "our culture" via race based immigration quotas is racism similar to the Michigan law school admissions where there were quotas for blacks. Race based quotas are wrong in both cases. And it is racism in both cases.

Maybe you want race based quotas so that Caucasians remain the 70% majority. But I argue that it is racism in its purist form. To argue otherwise is self deception and ignorance of what racism is. Racism is to discriminate based on race.

2,424 posted on 02/12/2005 9:21:07 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I can see why you're befuddled. Ionesco said try substituting gravity for arsen.


2,425 posted on 02/12/2005 9:24:10 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: fatima
Not at all!

I'm sure that almost all of the other people missed it, as well.

I suppose I should work on my existentialist humor.

:)

Seriously though, if you look at my current tag-line, you'll notice an excerpt that was taken from "The Bald Soprano."

That is probably one of Eugene Ionesco's most renowned plays. You really should read it, if the opportunity arises.

Next to O'Neill and Beckett, Ionesco is probably my favorite 20th Century playwright.

2,426 posted on 02/12/2005 9:25:06 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: bayourod
Que?
2,427 posted on 02/12/2005 9:26:49 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: fatima
"it scares me that the bad guys can get in"

A guest worker program will free up the border patrol to concentrate on stopping terrorists instead of having to fool with harmless gardeners.

2,428 posted on 02/12/2005 9:29:48 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Trying to get through the DeVinci File's-we are getting off topic and noboday here on this very heavy thread will like that R L:)


2,429 posted on 02/12/2005 9:32:24 PM PST by fatima (Still prayers for the Pope.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Street gangs have existed since long before the Mexican illegal alien explosion.

I recall gangs headed by guys named Capone, Luciano, Gambino, O'Banion, Weiss, and Lansky."

If we're to believe Law Enforcement, there is a HUGE contingent of Mexican gangs who are in the United States illegally. IN THE HERE AND NOW.

Now even if you ridiculously choose to compare Mexican street "gangs" to the organized gangs of Capone, Luciano, and Gambino decades ago -- which were comparatively minuscule in number -- at least they were in this country legally. Capisci?

And for your information -- while Capone and Luciano were doing their thing, MY family -- along with 500,000 other Italian-Americans -- were fighting, bleeding, and dying in the Pacific and Europe during WWII just so YOU can open you big mouth today here in America.

2,430 posted on 02/12/2005 9:33:45 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Que means cheese, right? So the answer's Moose?


2,431 posted on 02/12/2005 9:36:32 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
The Amazing Karnac:

NO.

2,432 posted on 02/12/2005 9:39:05 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: k2blader
just pull out the race card as usual. You are nothing but hypocrites and liars.

Let me ask you this, someone says the demographics of the US must not change and I say the only way to do that is to have race based quotas on both immigration and/or births and I further say that race based quotas are racism. Tell me where I am a hypocrite or a liar.

2,433 posted on 02/12/2005 9:39:08 PM PST by staytrue
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To: fatima
Sorry 'bout that, folks.

(Apologetic Smiley.)

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

2,434 posted on 02/12/2005 9:40:00 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: bayourod

Yes but and this is what I don't understand.Is there much of the border that does not have patrols and how do the border patrols hand out a guest thing-how do we know who the bad guys are?


2,435 posted on 02/12/2005 9:42:39 PM PST by fatima (Still prayers for the Pope.)
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To: fatima

Nobody


2,436 posted on 02/12/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by fatima (Still prayers for the Pope.)
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To: bayourod
No, its not a consumers choice. It is the law. As the owner of a landscape company, I am required to be licensed and carry liability and workers comp. From reading your posts, you seem to be justifying illegal behavior. So using your logic of 'they're here so let them stay', let's not chase speeders or arrest bank robbers. People are always going to do it, so don't enforce the laws.

In my opinion, the borders can be enforced and illegal immigrants can be deported. First stop all pork barrel spending projects. That is not what my tax dollars go towards. Second, stop sending aid to foreign countries. Neither of these things are mentioned in the Constitution. The money that is spent in these two areas is more than able to pay for the proper number of ICE agents required to complete the task.

If you think it can't be done, think again. Border Enforcement Techniques
2,437 posted on 02/12/2005 9:50:45 PM PST by 82Marine89 (U.S. Marines- Part of the Navy....The men's department.)
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To: 82Marine89

"From reading your posts, you seem to be justifying illegal behavior. "

Read his last 300 posts. He never distinguishes between illegals and Americans in America. Don't waste your time.


2,438 posted on 02/12/2005 9:55:40 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: All
The London Sunday Times quotes Herman Martinez, a prominent Florida activists: "'We have people who've been here since the 1980s with no papers,' he said. 'They have built a future in America and Bush is now telling them that they can stay for three years, then go home.' He called Bush's plan a trap."

My Congressman's office had no details on the Administration's "guest worker" plan the last time I asked them about this situation.

I hate to direct this to the one guest worker supporter who stuck around and presented substantive arguments while the other supporters littered the thread with invective and drove on. (No, I didn't read the entire thread so maybe there were some other respectable comments but I did read about five hundred replies and found no others.)

So knowing that it's near closing time and lights are starting to come up on this thread I'll just ask anyone, What about those who do own homes and businesses, have good jobs, families? Won't the guest worker plan have to make exceptions for them?

And that begs an embarrassing question, doesn't that mean the plan is a failure from the start?

To wit, are Americans going to be asked if they want those jobs the undocumented workers have held for years? I thought Americans had to be asked first then the search for "willing workers" began. There are other questions such as what of undocumented immigrant home owners?

2,439 posted on 02/12/2005 9:57:25 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: fatima
Those are good questions. Everything changed after 9/11. We no longer have an Immigration ans Naturalization Service.

The Department of Homeland Security has taken over and set up the Customs and Border Patrol to stop terrorists and WMDs from entering, while facilitating the flow of people and goods across the borders.

Try their link. They have a fascinating website.

2,440 posted on 02/12/2005 9:57:37 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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