Rice urges Israel to avoid unilateral steps on Jerusalem

Ha'aretz ^ | 6 February 2005 | Aluf Benn, Haaretz Staff, and Agencies

[dervish]

yadyadyada.

Answer my points or don't bother at all.

[Sunsong]

Make a point and I will answer it.

[Sunsong]

On one of those post #254 am I "asked" All of the others people are speaking out of their butts...making false accusations. People who jump to conclusions without facts are not reasonable people. They are lynch mob types. Yet it is those you have chosen to believe and to become one of them. That speaks about you - not me.

But to answer you, I have no idea who sungirl is. I have been Sunsong since I signed up here and I have never been banned or suspended. I have a freep mail from you about a Keyes thread that was deleted in which you were nice as could be. How do you explain that?

I suspect that, like any trained extremist, you cannot deal with what is being said to you and so you are attempting to smear me in order to shut me up - just like Kerry tried to shut up the Swift Boat Vets.

Look at the stance you are taking here. It is extreme. I am telling you the truth. That you don't like it gives you some options...but none of those should include trying to shut me up.

[Sunsong]

I am sorry that you had a bad experience as an eight year old child. I would wish for all children that they could just be children as children. But, for far too many - that is not the case. It is a tragedy.

But that is no reason, imo, not to hope and work for a better future.

[dervish]

My opinion. I don't have to hold all countries to the same standard. I would do far more for England than I would for Israel. What is that to you?

A double standard. Just as I suspected. I have nothing against England. I consider them a first rate ally as I do Israel. You on the other hand consider Israel something other than an ally. Your posts read like you consider them a parasite on US largesse. As I said earlier you have exposed your pro-Palestinian bias. Being pro-Palestinian makes you pro-terror. If I were you I would be telling you to go elsewhere.

NATO serves our purpose. As do coalitions of the willing. That requires no more to be said.

Let's parse this profundity.

"NATO serves our purpose.” -- Translation: Another four word assertion with no back up.

“That requires no more to be said.” -- Translation: I have no facts, no arguments, I can’t answer this.

You have not said anything new or valuable since your first posts.

Why would I? I would be argueing with myself. You have offered nothing here.

[SJackson]

[Sunsong]

A double standard.

I favor England over Israel. Call it want you want. I love England. I don't love Israel Call me names if you choose to. That reflects on you not me.

I would not list Israel in my top five favorite countries. Sue me.

You have yet to make a salient point about anything. I am pro-Palestinian in the sense that I want them to have a State in which they can live peacefully and happily. Again, sue me. I am pro_Israel in the sense that I want them to have a State in which they can live peacefully and happily.

Make a point, dervish, a real point and I will answer it.

So far, you have expressed nothing but extremism, insults and namecalling. What a way to win converts to your side :-)

[bvw]

Do you sometimes feel detached? Disassociated? Abstracted from the life around you?

Are you a middle child?

[Sunsong]

LOL - You are pretty funny :-)

Are you afraid of optimism and hope?

[dervish]

All your links are to an organization called PIPA. I know this group. They are the ones that did the “study” showing that more people who watched FOX News believed Iraq was responsible for 9/11 than the viewers of Public Radio and CNN who did not believe such untruths. The entire study was distorted including highly misleading questions leading to the Study’s conclusions that supporters of the Iraq War were misinformed idiots.

PIPA is funded by grants from Ford, Carnegie, Ben & Jerry’s, Rockefeller, et al. These are all very left wing foundations.

In other words I don’t believe a word PIPA says.

Your FOX poll has no link, nor does your poll from the German Marshall Fund of the US. No links are not good enough for me given your pro-Pali agenda and your use of the very left PIPA to bolster your case.

Here is a link from a poll which indicates 71 percent of Americans oppose the creation of a Palestinian state. http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31081

Why do you trust the very leftist anti-Iraq War, anti-FOX News, pro-Kerry PIPA?

[A Jovial Cad]

LOL! Pretty much sums it up.

[Sunsong]

Did you forget to mention that your "World Net Daily's" (not a reputable source) poll was commissioned by the Zionist Organization of America? That's laughable. Look these up if you want to:

Gallup/CNN/USA Today – May, 2003
“Do you favor or oppose the establishment of an independent Palestinian State?”
58% favor
22% oppose

Fox News Poll – June 17-18, 2003
74% of Americans said that the US should not take either side (Israel’s or the Palestinian’s) in the conflict.

German Marshall Fund of the US – June 10-25, 2003
“Should the US increase political pressure on Israel to withdraw from the Palestinians territories?”
40% -strongly agree
27% - agree somewhat

With Dr. Rice's visit and the announced ceasefire so fresh in the news - there may be a new poll out soon as well.

[American in Israel]

You expose your extreme arrogance in your short statement. God is on all sides.

You show your foolishness when you think that God is on the side of evil. Call me a blasphemer if you will, but I bet that God will do as He says in the Bible and destroy the wicked on the earth in His WRATH as he promised. The nice thing is I figure you are going to be alive to see it, nice and personal. I suggest you turn from your wicked ways, or it may be a bit too personal for your liking.

I am just guessing, but I figure you will soon see:

1. nuclear weapons in the hands of Islam

2. World wide economic collapse and financial based famine world wide.

3. Total Anarchy that kills about 25% of man.

4. Totalarian government that systomaticly kills off the people of God.

5.An earthquake on a planetary scale

Then the feces will hit the fan.

In that order. When you see it, you will know that God is NOT on all sides.

[Sunsong]

You are sick.

Read what you just wrote. To assign such devastation to God is truly sick and blasphemous. For you to dream of such things happening...that is evil. What is the difference between what you are desiring for your fellow man and what Islamic terrorists wish?

You need to get the evil out of your own heart. I will pray for you.

[Sunsong]

Sharon gets it. Perhaps you will allow yourself to read his words with an open mind and heart?:

>>>We have an opportunity to break away from the path of blood which has been forced on us over the past four years. We have an opportunity to start on a new path. For the first time in a long time there exists in our region hope for a better future for our children and grandchildren. <<<

>>>We must move forward cautiously. This is a very fragile opportunity, one the extremists will want to exploit. They want to close the window of opportunity for us and allow our two peoples to drown in their blood.<<<

>>>If we do not act now they may be successful.<<<

>>>There is only one answer to them: We must all announce here, today, that violence will not win, that violence will not be allowed to murder hope. We must all make a commitment not to agree to a temporary solution, not to allow violence to raise its head, but to act together, determinedly, to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure, to disarm and subdue it once and for all. Only by crushing terror and violence will we build peace. <<<

>>>I have no intention of missing this opportunity – because we must not let the new spirit, which grants our peoples hope, pass us by and leave us empty-handed…<<<

Jerusalem Post

[American in Israel]

You are sick. Read what you just wrote. To assign such devastation to God is truly sick and blasphemous. For you to dream of such things happening...that is evil.

To put what I said in context:

REVELATION CHAPTER 6

Second Seal: Conflict on Earth
3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come *and see."
4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; (1) and there was given to him a great sword.
Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth
5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come and see." So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand.
(2) 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A *quart of wheat for a *denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine."
Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth
7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, "Come and see."
8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. (3) And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
(4) 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances
(5) 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and *behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the *moon became like blood.
13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, *the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

So we see what I said, right out of the bible. The one you are calling Blasphemous is The Book of Revelations. I suggest you quit being such a liberal mamby-pamby CINO and read your Bible. You know little of the time of the seasons and apparently less about God. I would hate to see you miss this part:

REVELATION CHAPTER 7

A Multitude from the Great Tribulation
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"
11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
12 saying:

"Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen."

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
14 And I said to him, *"Sir, you know."
So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

You wash your robes in the Blood of the Lamb by picking up your Cross and following Him, by applying scripture and the urging of the spirit to cleanse your life from iniquity. If you do NOT do this, you are a Christian In Name Only, and are in danger of this happening to you:

MATHEW 22

11 "But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, *take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

There, that was FUN, I have been wanting to do the multi-color "8x10 color glossy but the judge was blind" thing for a long time. (Alice B. Toklas)

I suggest my friend, that you take scripture FAR more seriously:
REVELATION CHAPTER ONE
Introduction and Benediction
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near… (Don't stop here, keep going!)

There, I have delivered to you a door, a fire excape. The bridge is out in your spiritual life, wake up and take charge, because your present path leads to destruction.

[bvw]

Netanyahu's Dad got it. The Dad studied the American Indian Wars. Speaking of which yesterday was General William Tecumseh Sherman's birthday.

When did those long and bloody wars end? One hundred years before the arrival as a Professor of Mr. "1/23rd-Breed" Churchill. How long did they last? 250 years. Two hundred and fifty years of blood and terror, treaty and negotiation, blood and terror, negotiation and treaty, etc.

What stopped them? The last well of support for the Indians ended. Tecumseh (an Indian name, that) shut it down. He wiped out the buffalo herds that had been feeding the remnant warring tribes. He chased The Nez Pierce all over the north west, until tired, weak and hungry they finally exclaimed "We will fight war no more no longer." They put themselves at the complete mercy of the white yankee demons and accepted any terms.

That was when they were ready for peace, and not until then.

[Sunsong]

Are you hoping for a repeat? Do you prefer that you be right or that this time things can be different? Are you afraid of hope and optimism? Do you think that you know more than those who are making the decisions in Israel?

No need to answer. Just something to think about.

[Sunsong]

You are indeed sick. Quoting the Bible in order to justify hatred and excitement over death and destruction has nothing to do with what Jesus taught, imo.

I am not a Christian or a Jew. But I know that the teachings of Jesus are about Love and forgiveness and you are woefully inadequate on that score.

For you to revel in the possible destruction of others speaks volumes about you. It is evil to hold the desire that you do. Period. I can see no difference between your desires for death and destruction to come to those you hate than the desires of Islamic terrorists. You are more like them than you are different.

But I would say this. If that is what you believe - Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord and the wrath of God - then you must leave those things to God and not seek them yourself. You are disobeying God if you don't.

Spirituality is about your relationship with God and it is, in the end, about being a loving person - loving God, loving yourself and others. And it is about forgiveness. You are in great need of forgiveness. Your heart is hard and filled with evil dreams that you seem to cherish.

If you think that God does not love the Palestinians - you know nothing of God. Perhaps what you are really worhipping is hatred and your desire for revenge? Who knows?

[bvw]

I am afraid of the kind of fool's hope and optimism that leads a person into a dangerous path. A person with such hope and optimism might take a short cut and end up in mud and brambles. Or might build a house on a river that floods in the foolish *belief* -- hope and optimism! -- that because he lives there, and becaue, gee he has been a good person and done charitable works for awhile, the river will not flood where he lives.

You recoginize there is a distinction. Of course you do!

No need to answer ...