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Rice urges Israel to avoid unilateral steps on Jerusalem
Ha'aretz ^ | 6 February 2005 | Aluf Benn, Haaretz Staff, and Agencies

Posted on 02/06/2005 12:53:43 PM PST by anotherview

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To: Sunsong
The Palestinians will "magically" stop hating Jews when their lives improve - when they have the freedom and capacity to live better, more normal lives. Now is a chance to help more of them move in that direction.

The German economy improved under Hitler but the Holocaust still happen why?

Because of the hate taught by the Nazis. Currently the Islamists are filling hate into the so called Palestinians.

Golda Meir said it best "There can be no peace until the Muslims learn to love their children more then they hate they Jews"

Arafat is dead. This may not be a time for peace - but it is a time for change and for hope and for opportunity seized.

Abbas was Arafat's right hand man. Ignoring history and you are bound to repeat it!

481 posted on 02/08/2005 3:26:28 PM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: M 91 u2 K
You didn't answer the question. What do the Palestinians have to be grateful for?

We saw the Palestinians dancing after 9/11. Disgusting. And we can see how truly miserable they are. Do you really want to keep things just as they are? I don't.

Time to capitalize on the death of Arafat and improve the lives of the average Palestinian.

482 posted on 02/08/2005 3:26:55 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong; E Rocc; Admin Moderator
Sunsong/Sungirl, don't post to me, you're a usless troll and I'm not interested in your insults.

E Rocc, if you, as your ally seem to suggest, care to accuse me of being a foreigner, or disloyal, or and extremist, or a "chosen" who feel his faith is superior to others, or as potentially violent (I'm a hunter), or any of the lunatics other accusations, feel free. You know how to support your statements.

If you plan on accusing be of supporting terrorist groups, you better have facts, I don't take kindly to being called a criminal.

If sunsong is just blabbering in your name as I suspect, no answer is necessary.

AM, you had it right when you banned her the first time.

483 posted on 02/08/2005 3:29:25 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: Sunsong
You didn't answer the question. What do the Palestinians have to be grateful for?

The so called Palies have recieved billions in aid and every time they kill JEws they run to America for help.

And we can see how truly miserable they are. Do you really want to keep things just as they are? I don't.

They arent miserable they feel they are serving Allah by killing Jews and dancing on 9/11.

Time to capitalize on the death of Arafat and improve the lives of the average Palestinian.

AS in time to repeat history and go through the merry go round of peace talks that will end once the terrorists groups have fully rearmed.

484 posted on 02/08/2005 3:30:45 PM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: M 91 u2 K
As I say - you are adept at naysaying and negativity. But what is called for now is people who are able to be hopeful and optimistic - without losing sight of the current picture.

I don't see you or your pessimism (which I'm sure you see as the only "real" view) as being helpful.

Step back for a while and watch. There is much that you can learn from those who can see the light..

and the light shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not

485 posted on 02/08/2005 3:31:02 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
As I say - you are adept at naysaying and negativity. But what is called for now is people who are able to be hopeful and optimistic - without losing sight of the current picture. I don't see you or your pessimism (which I'm sure you see as the only "real" view) as being helpful. Step back for a while and watch. There is much that you can learn from those who can see the light..

What I see is a naive person who is ignoring history and DOOMED to repeat it!

This is not pessimism but REALISM.

I am optimistic that once Israel completes the wall and strikes down all terrorist groups that the Israelis will be able to leave in peace. As for the so called Palies they wont have the Jews to blame and kick around anymore.

486 posted on 02/08/2005 3:33:38 PM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: SJackson
Sunsong/Sungirl, don't post to me, you're a usless troll and I'm not interested in your insults.

You have the gall to accuse me of being someone that I am not - and then go on to present yourself as a victim? Give me a break.

I have no idea who sungirl is. As long as you post to me or about me - you will receive posts from me. And as long as you present extremist views - I will call a spade a spade.

487 posted on 02/08/2005 3:34:58 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: M 91 u2 K
This is not pessimism but REALISM.

Didn't I just predict that :-)

488 posted on 02/08/2005 3:36:11 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
Didn't I just predict that :-)

And how did you predict it?

You look at history.

History will tell you that Abbas is Arafat in a suit.

489 posted on 02/08/2005 3:38:40 PM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: M 91 u2 K
They arent miserable they feel they are serving Allah by killing Jews and dancing on 9/11.

You couldn't be more wrong. I am surprised that you have such little understanding of what their lives are like.

Now is the time for hope and opptimism. If you are not capable of that - at least step back for a while and watch. If you are right - you will have enough time to gloat with "I told you sos"

490 posted on 02/08/2005 3:38:43 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

You know your repsonse that is completely in character with the owner of a vicious dog, or the mother of a vicious bully. No matter how much the dog or the bully have terrorized the neighborhood, can't we just love him? What's wrong with us.


491 posted on 02/08/2005 3:39:47 PM PST by bvw
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To: M 91 u2 K
Slow down - go back and re-read this recent series of posts between you and I - I predicted that you would say you were just being "real" (a realist) by spouting your doomsday scenarios.

I'm just repeating myself now. If you can't muster some optimism - with so much that is hopeful all around you - won't you please step back and let others have a try at changing a horrible situation? There are those who really believe in miracles. And they are justified in their beliefs.

492 posted on 02/08/2005 3:42:05 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: SJackson

How many incarnations? I think you are missing a few. This sol-chant persona's been around for a while.


493 posted on 02/08/2005 3:42:08 PM PST by bvw
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To: Sunsong
You couldn't be more wrong. I am surprised that you have such little understanding of what their lives are like.

So what if they live in poverty that is their own governments fault. Why dont they rise up against their own government?

Because they will get B*tch slapped!

Yet they hate JEws more than their own corrupt government.

Now is the time for hope and opptimism. If you are not capable of that - at least step back for a while and watch. If you are right - you will have enough time to gloat with "I told you sos"

I will have the right to say "I told you so" but it will come at the price of Dead Jews and that is not worth it!

494 posted on 02/08/2005 3:43:46 PM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: Sunsong

You've been asked on this thread and others, and never answer. Your posting habits, both incitement and topics are the same. I think you're lying, but at least you've finally answered.


495 posted on 02/08/2005 3:44:11 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: bvw
You know your repsonse that is completely in character with the owner of a vicious dog, or the mother of a vicious bully. No matter how much the dog or the bully have terrorized the neighborhood, can't we just love him? What's wrong with us.

Do you really object to change? Do you really object to things getting better? Pessimism and hostility are not called for at this time. Hope and optimism are.

Hope you will decide to get on board.

496 posted on 02/08/2005 3:44:45 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: SJackson
You've been asked on this thread and others, and never answer.

That, I think, is the lie. Please produce any posts that have "asked" me about this sungirl business! I will be waiting - but I will not be holding my breath.

Extremist are not known for their integrity.

497 posted on 02/08/2005 3:48:57 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
That, I think, is the lie. Please produce any posts that have "asked" me about this sungirl business! I will be waiting - but I will not be holding my breath. Extremist are not known for their integrity.

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You could have held your breath. You know I've never heard anyone to the political right of Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy use "extremist" the way you do. I hear they teach that at PETA and ISM seminars. You should get a thesaurus, it's a giveaway.

498 posted on 02/08/2005 4:05:46 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: Sunsong
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499 posted on 02/08/2005 4:07:06 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: Sunsong
I was eight and the bully was seven. A psychopath. How do I know? He would torture animals and little kids. One day I came through the fields and he with two kids was there. He had an ax. There were plenty of turtles in our neighborhood. Of many varieties. And snakes too. A wonderous nieghborhood in regard to things of nature.

Turtles young and old. Turtles live longer than humans, did you know? They lumber around and some will snap your finger off. Others just lumber around. They sleep all winter and come out in the summer to bask in the sun.

There came a turtle. The biggest one in the neighborhood. How can I say how old it was? Many years, many years. It moved ponderously slow. It was huge -- a few feet long.

Jody -- that was his name -- waited till the turtle was at his feet. The rest of us were marveling at it. Oh why did I just stand there and ignore the ax he had? I had no fear of Jody, I was fast and tough. Even with an ax Jody was no threat to me.

Suddenly his face lit up! He brutally swung the ax and reswung it, once twice -- each time into the turtle. He was quicker than the turtle -- he chopped off its head -- or rather sliced the head in half. He was happy!

I grabbed at the ax and screamed -- as I can do -- a blood-curdling scream. It stops people in their tracks. He let go the ax and ran. I flung the ax down and chased him.

He ran to his house, into his kitchen. He ran to his mom. I ran into his house after him. I tore him from his mother and pummeled him into the floor. His mother screamed -- her baby! In her eyes he could do no wrong.

She pulled me off of him and pushed me out of the house. But I had already bloodied his nose and lip -- she went back in to attend to him.

Did Jody change? Yes. He stayed out of my way, and his family moved out. Did Jody change beyond that?

I doubt it. A psychopath doesn't change.

500 posted on 02/08/2005 4:13:53 PM PST by bvw
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