Posted on 02/06/2005 12:53:43 PM PST by anotherview
An election where the outcome is a foregone conclusion and known in advance is not the hallmark of democracy. It is window dressing.
I am afraid that the current administration, Pres Bush included, may be indulging in wishful thinking here.
When did you change your name to "human compassion"?
I am afraid that the current administration, Pres Bush included, may be indulging in wishful thinking here.
No, I think it is you who is indulging in pessimism. time will tell, of course, but this election was s a definite improvement and should be acknowleged as such.
I think I have a good sense of what you are about. Too bad for you. Life can be much better than that...
Boy, you are defensive. Does human compassion make you want to vomit? Might want to look into that? But I still want to know - do you not care, Alouette? I really have to ask. How is it that you show no signs of ever even thinking about what could be done?
When Pres Bush was Governor he did indeed experience the smallness of Israel from a helicopter. He has commented on it.
I believe what drives Pres Bush is an idealism and longing to solve this situation even from a position of caring for the people of Israel. But that does not mean he is not making a mistake.
It is for G-d, in the end to make His rescue of Israel and Jerusalem. Yet where will we be when that happens, with Him or against His desire?
That may be your belief system. I don't share it. I believe that democracy is coming to the ME. How long will it take? I don't know. But it is coming. More freedom, less tyranny. And that will be good.
I do not hate Arabs. Nor do I hate Jews. I love America. I think that tryanny has caused much suffering for Arabs and been a major contributor to terroism. I am interested in seeing that change by increasing the amount of freedom and decreasing the amount of tryanny in the region. So, for me, a Palestinian State living in peace side by side with Israel is a good thing.
Oh, I am here to stay. But you are free to leave :-)
Nor does it mean that you are right. In fact, I believe the odds are in favor of the President and against you. Naysayers are usually wrong in my experience.
Hey little arrogant one, did you not read my post # 97 on this thread where I said this:
[[[I am sick of anti-Americanism, anti-Bush, anti-Rice vitriol. I am fed up with it. My loyalty is to America. I have supported President Bush's tough stand with Arafat and the so-called Palestinaians - but I am truly outraged with the garbage posted on this thread and as far as I'm concerned - if you all cannot work with us - by all means - move on. – post # 97]]]
You are not telling me anything I don't know already.
Get it? :-)
There is also a saying, "many are called but few are chosen". But I believe that "all are called - few choose to answer".
So my view is that "chosen" simply means those who have answered God's call.
In recent years the United States. It wasn't always so though one has to go back to the Eisenhower administration to find that to be true.
Why do you want to stick your finger in the eye of your best friend?
That is not what anyone at all is suggesting. What we are suggesting is that if and when the United States stops acting like a friend and starts plotting our demise instead our reaction has to change.
For the entire diaspora period Jews prayed "Leshana haba'a b'Yerushalayim" or, in English, "Next year in Jerusalem". Israel's national anthem, Hatikva, literally "The Hope", ends with the line "b'eretz Tzion, Yerushalayim" which translates as "in the land of Zion, Jerusalem". That is what Jews the world over hoped for.
During the almost 400 years of Ottoman rule the majority or plurality of Jerusalem's population was Jewish. In 1854 Jerusalem had 15,500 inhabitants, of which just over 8,000 were Jewish. The first Jews moved outside the ancient, walled city in 1860. That means that the entire Jewish majority was in what the media now calls "Arab East Jerusalem". What made it "Arab"? The conquest of that part of the city by the Jordanians in 1948 resulted in the expulsion of the Jewish population.
Jerusalem is holy to Jews. It has been the center of our culture and our religion for 3,009 years. It is our capital and it was our capital during all periods of Jewish sovereignty, from ancient times, to when the Persians restored Jewish sovereignty in the 6th century, to now.
You tell me this: Why should we allow anyone, even an emissary from a friendly nation, question our right to our capital for three milennia? Secretary Rice made a mistake. We are pointing that out. That is all. It is not an attack on the Secretary of State but rather an expression to a friend that she needs to choose her words more carefully.
Now let me make this clear: If any U.S. government demands that Israel cede Jerusalem or a significant part of it (i.e.: the ancient, walled city) the friendship between the U.S. and Israel would end at that moment. Thankfully that moment has never come. I sincerely think that all of us you have attacked would wish that such a moment would never come. It is precisely to help insure that and to preserve the friendship with the U.S. that we need to express our discomfort with the idea or redividing Jerusalem.
BTW, any Israeli Prime Minister who offers to divide Jerusalem falls from power. How do you think that Ehud Barak lost his coalition? When he offered to give away part of Jerusalem a large part bolted.
I meant to tell you that I was not offended by the "mad Jew" line. In fact I thought it might be a better screen name for me than "anotherview". I might want to adopt "mad Jew" for myself :)
When I was much younger and living in the U.S. there was a very good baseball player, a relief pitcher, who called himself "the mad Hungarian". Do you think other Hungarians were offended by this?
For the umpteenth time I ask you, why should I care one whit what you think?
Interesting. Your view contradicts both Jewish and Christian scripture. I guess you know better than G-d.
Why should anyone care what you think?
As should be painfully clear by now my views are mainstream and yours are, well... loony.
Oh, I happen to notice that you post that you don't care what I think when I happen to post historical facts. I guess you don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs just as you don't let G-d get in the way of your beliefs.
No Secretary Rice told you what our policy is - she said that the status quo should remain.
If you don't like that - too bad.
As I have aksed you over and over - based on your statment that you don't care how I feel - please tell me why I should care at all what you think?
You are deluded. You hold extremist views and cannot even tell yourself the truth about it. I feel sorry for you.
Most Americans want a Palestinian state. Get used to it.
And I ask again - why should I care what you think? Are you incapable of answering the question?
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