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Juan Manuel Alvarez, man who caused yesterday's multiple train derailment, is a U.S. citizen
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ^ | 1/27/05 | Troy Anderson, Staff Writer

Posted on 01/27/2005 12:12:56 PM PST by Wolfstar

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To: Wolfstar

You didn't answer the question.


241 posted on 01/27/2005 5:03:30 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: judgeandjury; Poohbah

BTW, your initial response to that comment was deleted as well, but not any other posts where the comment is repeated. Actually, #42 and #147 are the ONLY deleted comments on this thread (so far). The moderators obviously weren't "personally" displeased with the remark.

And you still claim ignorance of what he meant? LOL! That's rich.


242 posted on 01/27/2005 5:06:26 PM PST by wimpycat (As God is my witness, I'll never be "outraged" again!)
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To: skeeter
Whats the matter with preferring it be an illegal and not a fellow American?

Skeeter, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take this as an honestly meant question. The answer, as I see it, depends on the reason why someone would prefer that the perp was illegal vs. an American citizen. But the bottom line still is, what difference does it make? The dude killed at least 11 people. Where he was born, and what citizenship he holds doesn't change that.

243 posted on 01/27/2005 5:06:36 PM PST by Wolfstar (Have YOU laughed at a Democrat today?)
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To: Missouri
It seems that you need to take a look in a mirror since your using "an illegal" and "racism" in the same statement. Being an illegal alien has nothing to do with race. You seem to be jumping to the same conclusion as others because of the killers last name.

While I don't mean to be disrespectful to you, your reasoning is excruciatingly tortured. Either you can't or refuse to comprehend my meaning.

244 posted on 01/27/2005 5:09:36 PM PST by Wolfstar (Have YOU laughed at a Democrat today?)
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To: wimpycat; PRND21; Wolfstar; hchutch; onyx

I guess judgeandjury has friends on the moderating staff.

Time to rethink my donations. Isn't there a FReepathon coming up?


245 posted on 01/27/2005 5:09:42 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You didn't answer the question.

Well...whatever the question is, Joe, I have to get going. I'll try to get online later this evening and figure it out for you.

246 posted on 01/27/2005 5:11:22 PM PST by Wolfstar (Have YOU laughed at a Democrat today?)
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To: Wolfstar
I don't know for certain into which category you belong, but you can find out for yourself if you are able to identify the several truly bigoted comments on this thread.

If this is truly the case, then don't you think it would be a good idea to direct epithets at those individuals instead of leaving the general assertion hanging out there like the sword of Damocles for everyone to guess who its intended for?

Or perhaps that wouldn't serve the intended purpose of such smears, at least as far as a few of your friends are concerned?

247 posted on 01/27/2005 5:12:45 PM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: Tempest
Really, I kind of thought that condemning the maniac based on the ethnicity of his name instead of the horrendousness of his crime to be a little "sheetheadish".

Who did that?

The fact of the matter is, there were witnesses, and the perp admitted doing this deed. So the issue of his guilt is really not an issue here. Is it?

All I've seen and heard for past two days are people, radio stations etc asking/wondering out loud if this individual was in this country illegally, or not.

Does that make all of these people sheet heads?

Even though his guilt is not an issue here, and never was, if you could post someones quote that condemned this individual because of the ethnicity of his name, I'd like to see it.

248 posted on 01/27/2005 5:13:34 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: wimpycat
BTW, your initial response to that comment was deleted as well, but not any other posts where the comment is repeated. Actually, #42 and #147 are the ONLY deleted comments on this thread (so far). The moderators obviously weren't "personally" displeased with the remark.

And you still claim ignorance of what he meant? LOL! That's rich.

In my post #147 I simply asked Poohbah to explain what he meant by the phrase that he used in his post #42. I didn't call Poohbah any names nor did I say anything derogatory about him. Why the moderators chose to remove ny post #147 is known only to them.

I never claimed ignorance as to the meaning of the phrase that Poohbah used. I just wanted him to go on record by stating in his own words what he meant, which he refused to do.

249 posted on 01/27/2005 5:14:17 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: Wolfstar

You know what the question was. See 255


250 posted on 01/27/2005 5:15:09 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: judgeandjury

To: judgeandjury
What do you mean by the phrase "sheetheads"?
I mean "sheetheads."


158 posted on 01/27/2005 3:52:43 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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251 posted on 01/27/2005 5:17:42 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

So, I'm still trying to determine what his legal status has to do with the accident?

Would it make it anymore or less tragic?


252 posted on 01/27/2005 5:19:53 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

How the heck did you come up with that?!! By the way, thanks.


253 posted on 01/27/2005 5:21:58 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: Tempest
So, I'm still trying to determine what his legal status has to do with the accident?

What accident are you referring to? Maybe you should update yourself. This was no accident.

Would it make it anymore or less tragic?

Again, this isn't the issue. The issue here is folks were wondering and asking if this individual was in the country illegally, and someone here implied that these folks are "sheetheads".

254 posted on 01/27/2005 5:24:49 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: wimpycat
BTW, your initial response to that comment was deleted as well, but not any other posts where the comment is repeated. Actually, #42 and #147 are the ONLY deleted comments on this thread (so far). The moderators obviously weren't "personally" displeased with the remark.

See post #251 to find out what I said in my post #147.

255 posted on 01/27/2005 5:26:16 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: judgeandjury
I know what you said in #147. I read it...before it was deleted. The word "sheetheads" is all over this thread, so the moderators obviously weren't the offended party, or else every post wherein it appears would have been deleted.
256 posted on 01/27/2005 5:53:02 PM PST by wimpycat (As God is my witness, I'll never be "outraged" again!)
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To: Poohbah; wimpycat; PRND21; Wolfstar; judgeandjury


Don't let it bother you Poohbah.
J&J is just another garden variety thread nanny.
Your original post was NOT to the nanny... red
flag there... trolling for trouble.

First time I've come across that poster.
Hope it's the last.


257 posted on 01/27/2005 6:05:38 PM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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To: thoughtomator
Hey I'll admit I thought he was illegal. Whoop de doo.

I still would guess he's from the recent immigrant wave coming from Mexico. Likely an anchor baby born here so his parents can stay and receive welfare.

258 posted on 01/27/2005 6:05:59 PM PST by FITZ
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To: SandyInSeattle

Yours is actually a worse bigotry --- believing that American hispanics are more criminal than Mexicans. Only Americans can be criminals? How is that not bigorry --- obviously "race" isn't an issue here --- those that are convinced that Mexican citizens can do no wrong and jump to the conclusion only an American hispanic would commit this crime are every bit as bigotted as anyone.

Besides --- he could be one of those "dual-citizens".


259 posted on 01/27/2005 6:09:15 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Tempest

The guy's "ethnicitiy" or "race" was never in question --- his immigration status was --- it's still likely he's from the recent immigrant bunch --- and obtained his citizenship the very easy way. Speculating that he just had to be an American citizen hispanic is no less "racist" for those who are quick to bring race into everything. Which many on here are --- they know he's of the "hispanic" race but are quick to jump to the conclusion he's of the old hispanic families that lived in the SW USA for many many generations. That's racism in my mind.


260 posted on 01/27/2005 6:15:23 PM PST by FITZ
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