Posted on 01/21/2005 6:34:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe
Not fair. You beat me to it.
"Ah Hates you" < /Yosemeti Sam>
And Hitler was baptized a Roman Catholic shortly after his birth in Austria and was never excommunicated by Rome.
Do you want to tell all the Catholics on Free Republic that Hitler remained a good and faithful Romanist all through the war?
I'm saying you're trying so hard to justify ANYTHING but the monergistic, Reformed position that you've ended up pixilated.
"All things whatever arise from, and depend on, the divine appointment; whereby it was foreordained who should receive the word of life, and who should disbelieve it; who should be delivered from their sins, and who should be hardened in them; and who should be justified and who should be condemned." -- Martin Luther
You'll pardon me if I believe Luther on this one.
Now, all I asked Prilgrim is what was he depending upon for his salvation, or how does he know he is saved?
He brought up the issue of the different Gospels that I had posted.
So, which Gospel is he believing?
I did not say that he was unsaved, I said that I do question the salvation of someone who cannot or will not answer a simple question regarding the Gospel that saved him (Rom.1:18)
No, he (Arminius) rejected only Unconditional election.
Arminius was as much in the Reformed tradition as Luther and Zwingli, who diagreed on the issue of Communion.
So Pilgrim, we learn that you are a Baptist-hardshell!
And if you have accepted the Gospel as expressed in 1Cor.15:3-5 you are indeed saved!
Praise God! Brother.
That is the Gospel of Grace not the Kingdom Gospel (Acts 2:38).
As a Baptist, one who rejects water Baptism as anything but a sign of salvation, you can see that there are different Gospels given in scripture.
It is a rule of Free Republic that whoever brings up Hitler first automatically loses the argument.
LOL!
You lose.
Amen! Thanks for the post!
More specifically, it seems his real displeasure was directed at supralapsarianism. He did not think that God would elect except in light of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ....IN Christ...
Elected "in Christ."
He considered supralapsarianism to be wrong and demeaning of the glory of God.
Now, where did I question any Calvinist's salvation?
I only asked you what Gospel you had believed for salvation.
It was only after you refused to identify which Gospel you have believed that I said that I had doubts about someone who would not reveal the Gospel he was saved with.
I said not one word about Calvinism or any other Calvinist.
The lineage of American Baptists (coming from England) is traced to Arminian views not Calvinist ones.
Luther dropped Augustine like a hot rock when he found that Augustine believed in a developing Righteousness (hence the Sacraments) as opposed to an imputed Righteousness which makes one immediatly saved.
Amen! LOL!
Instead, all you get are more curses from the typo demons. ;)
REALLY!
So, someone tells you that you have a million dollars in a bank account, giving to you freely and all you have to do is withdraw it.
Do you file that on your tax return as a earned income or a gift!
Try putting it down as earned income (I had to withdraw it Judge and that was an act on my part so clearly I earned it since I did something)
You will be spending some serious time in jail for tax-evasion.
Grace and works are defined in Rom.4 very clearly for anyone without Calvinist blinders on.
Amen!
Frankly, I do not doubt that many Baptist's are unsaved, trusting in something other then the Blood Atonement of Christ.
Faith and Grace go together as do works and the Law.
To him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
Yes, but he still must be viewed as being in the Reformed tradition.
The only way Paul could have been more clear was to go around to everyone with a sign called "works" in one hand and a sign labeled "faith" in the other.
He'd smack them on the head with the works sign and say, "Did I smack you with 'works,' or did I smack you with 'faith.'"
"to him who doesn't work but believes..." On the one side you've got works, and on the other side you've got faith. Abraham was declared righteous based on his works. Abraham was declared righteous based on his faith...."faith was credited to him as righteousness."
It boggles my mind that it's so simple there and so hard for some to see.
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