Posted on 11/09/2004 7:51:23 AM PST by TERMINATTOR
And some of you need to learn the difference between a suicide pact and our Constituition.
Funny, I don't see where any due process concluded that an assault had taken place. I must have missed it. I did see various allegations of such, but of course we have that whole depriving persons of property without due process thing, so no one would be advocating property-confiscaton-on-allegation on a Conservative forum, one presumes. Therefore, I can only conclude I missed the part where due process concluded an assault had taken place.
Of course it happens. The cases where it doesn't happen, however, outnumber the others by a huge margin.
BTW, welcome to FR. Did you come here just to call names. That's not nice.
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Simple equation for a simple mind. What if the 6itch lies?
If you want to keepy your guns, as I intend to keep mine: #1 Don't beat your wife/gf, and #2 If your kid beats/threatens his lady, then kick his sorry a$$ to the curb (and out of your domecile) It's an easy equation.
The wife/ex only has to claim 'she feels threatened 'cuz you have guns' and they can take your guns.
My ex used to threaten this all the time.
If your kid beats his ol' lady and you object, the kid can call the cops and claim 'he feels threatened by you' and you are subject to the Violence Against Family Members Act and you lose your guns.
All it takes is a word and the jackbooted thugs will break in and take your guns without due process.
On a final note, how do you know the girlfriend wasn't lying?
"Simple equation for a simple mind. What if the 6itch lies?"
What if she tells the truth? I don't call a woman that name unless I have some evidence of it. Calling the cops on a spousal abuse complaint is not that evidence.
What do you think the odds are that the cops had been to this house before for other domestic disturbances? I'd guess they're pretty good odds. That's the usual course of events. Cops hate domestic calls. Why? Because there's usually some butthead there who is drunk and out of control. It's very dangerous for them.
My money's on this guy being very well known to the cops. His dad, too, probably.
I could have lost my guns and she knew it. She was using it against me.
If my ex called the cops and lied that I had beat her, does that make me a bad gun owner?
Pray you are never in this situation....
What if the spouse lies? No due process....
Ping
You don't know that. That is an unfounded assertion because there are no statistics....
It happens all the time. It's happened to me. It has happened to people I know.
"Sorry, but spouse abusers are criminals
What if the spouse lies? No due process...."
Then the person wasn't a spouse abuser. However, it's unlikely, I'll bet. I suspect, as in most of these cases, the cops had been to that house numerous times.
There used to be a deputy sheriff who lived up the street from me. He was a mean SOB, who abused his wife and his kids. But, when the cops came, they always let him off with some warning and a pat on the back.
Then one night, he blew his wife's brains out with a shotgun. They didn't let him off that time. Too bad they didn't take the case seriously before, isn't it?
It's rare for a spousal protection order to be given without some evidence of abuse.
Yes, spouses lie about abuse. But not often. And that's spouses of both sexes.
Who do you call abuser? It's not a question of protecting the 2nd amendment rights of "wife beaters" (the numerator), but actualy of whether gun confiscation is done against other types of criminals (the denominator) in equal justice principles. Quick answer: it is not. EQUAL JUSTICE HERE IS THE PROBLEM. 99% of the time dom violence is never prosecuted against women. This is just a way to destroy the LE powers of men and people in general. Domestic violence is synonymous with "wife beaters" in this country, but not with women killing or aborting their kids. So, in other words, if we allege that the government is abusing its powers and destroying our LE powers, then we should disarm the cops??? I guess I would go with the confiscation of abusers myself if we confiscate the firearms of crooked lawyers and conivent judges and cops in the system, as well as surrogate LE groups such as gay and radical feminists who support the selective abuse of law against certain sectors of society.
No way. THe cops have orders from LE surrogate feminist lawyers in town to take the man out or face huge lawsuits. They will comply 99% of the time. A woman with a little bruise from lack of folic acid can say anything and get any man in jail.
"No way. THe cops have orders from LE surrogate feminist lawyers in town to take the man out or face huge lawsuits. They will comply 99% of the time. A woman with a little bruise from lack of folic acid can say anything and get any man in jail."
Amazing! And you think that is the case in the majority of these situations? I doubt it very much.
Then one night, he blew his wife's brains out with a shotgun. They didn't let him off that time. Too bad they didn't take the case seriously before, isn't it?
What does that sad anecdote have to do with my rights? She stayed around and got killed like a dope, now my rights are suspect?
It's rare for a spousal protection order to be given without some evidence of abuse.
Untrue. All it takes is for a woman to claim she 'felt threatened'!p> After my ex broke into my house and stole my checkbook and a gun, I was denied a protection order because: "It's pretty much impossible to get an order against a woman in this county."
Look up the Lautenberg Act online--the only thing needed is a woman's word....
"What does that sad anecdote have to do with my rights? She stayed around and got killed like a dope, now my rights are suspect?"
Your rights? Have you been accused of spousal abuse?
As for the woman, it's a pretty common story. Maybe she wanted to protect her kids from this out of control man. Maybe she was too scared to leave. Maybe she had nowhere to go. I cannot answer those questions. She's dead, now, and so she can't either.
"This is not as much about gun rights as it is about some dumba$$ who thinks its ok to threaten his lady - with a gun."
But they seized his DAD's weapons!
Under this same logic, must they then seize all of his friend's guns, seize the guns of his neighbors, and seize the guns of any gun shop within a two-block radius??
Ed
Correction
This guy is allegedly dangerous.
If there were legitimate gounds to confiscate his guns, there were legitimate grounds to lock him up. And the latter would have been much more appropriate, since he can always use a baseball bat or kitchen knife.
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