Posted on 08/20/2004 5:43:21 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
On the contrary, importing slaves was legal in the confederacy and not in the United States.
Ma'am, Abraham Lincoln replied to the legislature that he was unanswerable to the legislature for political arrests made in May 1861.
WASHINGTON, July 27, 1861.To the House of Representatives:
In answer to the resolution of the House of Representatives of the 24th instant, asking the grounds, reason, and evidence upon which the police commissioners of Baltimore were arrested and are now detained as prisoners at Fort McHenry, I have to state that it is judged to be incompatible with the public interest at this time to furnish the information called for by the resolution.
Ma'am, your version of the Constitution must be different than the one ratified by the states. The US had legalized the importation of slaves at IT's founding.
However importing slaves was illegal in the U.S. at the outbreak of the rebellion but legal in the confederacy.
Ma'am, the importation of slaves from Africa was prohibited. Additionally, the Confederate Congress was granted the power to 'prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or Territory not belonging to, this Confederacy'.
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Young lady, imports of slaves from the slave holding territories of the United States were specifically protected by the confederate constitution, and I'm not aware of any legislature passed by the confederate congress that outlawed it.
With all due respect I'm a man. The Confederate Constitution did allow for additional states to be admitted, but the Confederate Congress - via delegated contitutional power - could prohibit (see previous post) any new slave states from entering. Maybe if the Confederacy hadn't been so busy defending themselves from a madman such legislation could have been introduced.
Sorry, correct gender identification didn't seem important to you so I assumed you wouldn't mind.
The Confederate Constitution did allow for additional states to be admitted, but the Confederate Congress - via delegated contitutional power - could prohibit (see previous post) any new slave states from entering.
How could they do that without violating Article I, Section 9, Clause 4, or Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3?
Maybe if the Confederacy hadn't been so busy defending themselves from a madman such legislation could have been introduced.
Or maybe not. They had time in February 1861 to pass legislation that provided a back-door channel to import slaves from Africa.
Because Article I § 3 clause 2 prohibits it. Clause 4 prohibits the federal government from interfering with the existing states rights. Article IV § 3 clause 3 prevents a Dred Scott, or Lincoln's dream of a lily white west.
If you are indeed a man then say so.
"Immediately after they shall be assembled, in consequence of the first election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three classes. The seats of the Senators of the first class shall be vacated at the expiration of the second year; of the second class at the expiration of the fourth year; and of the third class at the expiration of the sixth year; so that one-third may be chosen every second year; and if vacancies happen by resignation, or other wise, during the recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary appointments until the next meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such vacancies. "
Huh?
Clause 4 prohibits the federal government from interfering with the existing states rights.
Which means that the confederate congress could not admit a state where slavery is outlawed.
Article IV § 3 clause 3 prevents a Dred Scott, or Lincoln's dream of a lily white west.
Article I, Section 3, Clause 3 would effectively prevent a territory from being admitted as a non-slave state, wouldn't it?
You've called me 'boy' in the past. Why the sudden gender confusion?
Someone told me you were a lady.
LOL! My bad. Article I § 9 clause 2.
Article I, Section 3, Clause 3 would effectively prevent a territory from being admitted as a non-slave state, wouldn't it?
(3) No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained the age of thirty years, and be a citizen of the Confederate States; and who shall not, then elected, be an inhabitant of the State for which he shall be chosen.My turn - huh? ;o)
I figured that they let Winans go after his first arrest in May because having to talk with Gen. Butler was punishment enough for whatever he had done.
I found a list of arrestees in the Philadelphia Public Ledger of September 14, 1861:
Important Arrests at Baltimore
BALTIMORE Sept 13 -- The Provost Marshal arrested, this morning, before daylight, the following distinguished citizens. Mayor Brown, Charles H. Pitts, Lawrence Sangston, S. T. Wallis, T. P. Scott, and Ross Winans members of the Legislature. F. R. Howard, the editor of the Baltimore Exchange was also arrested. The whole party were conveyed to the Hospital of sick patriotism, located at Fort McHenry.
The following additional arrests have been made: Messrs. Deanson, Quinland, and Dr. Lynch, members of the Legislature from Baltimore county, Henry M Warfield, Dr J Hanson Thomas and John O Brune, city members. Also Thos W Hall, editor of the "South".
...All the arrests have been made pursuant to orders from the War Department. Of course there has been no official announcement of the arrests, but it is believed that all the names given above are correct.
It is also reported that Henry May, the member of Congress; Henry M Morfit and W. D. Harrison, members of the Legislature from the city, have also been arrested. These with the names before given, complete the ten city delegates. The rumor is also current that Benjamin C. Howard, the Peace candidate for Governor, has also been taken into custody. There is considerable excitement of a subdued character about the streets.
BALTIMORE, Sept 13 -- Evening -- H C Howard, the Peace Gubernatorial candidate, was not arrested, as was reported this morning.
Mr. Pierce, one of the City Delegation, also mentioned among the arrests, is out of the city, and therefore the announcement of his arrest is premature.
...The arrest of Mayor Brown is supposed to have been on account of the expressions made by him in his letter to Gen. Dix, in regard to the payment of the old police, in which he says: -- "I recognize in the action of the Government of the United States nothing but the assertion of superior force."
Mayor Brown and many of the others stayed in prison for some 14 months or more without trial.
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I'm sure. Couldn't have been one of the southron contingent. They've been calling me 'boy' for some time now.
ROTF! Another section of the OR had Winans being old and infirm.
All the arrests have been made pursuant to orders from the War Department.
Political prisioners - no civil proceedings, no constitutional safeguards etc. Just arrested on the whim of a dictator.
Mayor Brown and many of the others stayed in prison for some 14 months or more without trial.
All hail Lincoln the benevolent </sarcasm>
Correction - that should be 4CJ's point about the corwin amendment
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