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Lincoln’s 'Great Crime': The Arrest Warrant for the Chief Justice
Lew Rockwell.com ^ | August 19, 2004 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Posted on 08/20/2004 5:43:21 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861

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To: capitan_refugio
i doubt that.

in point of fact, had lincoln , the UNjust, started hanging ex-CSA personnel, he would have had a MASSIVE guerrilla war to fight, which the partisans might well have WON.

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1,901 posted on 09/25/2004 11:50:28 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

When the colonists declared independence from the British, the colonies seemed to act as if they believed all publicly owned property within their state belonged to their state and not to the Crown. This is the natural order of things when there is a change of territorial jurisdiction. The precedent you seek would be the history of the world.


1,902 posted on 09/25/2004 12:00:06 PM PDT by nolu chan
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To: Chickamauga
WELL SAID!

may ALMIGHTY GOD hold ALL our service members in the protection of his sheltering arms!

we, at our house, pray daily for their safety.

btw, my landlady's husband, Frank __________, MAJ/USAJAGC, just returned from another tour in Iraq.

he estimates that there are about 10,000 committed fighters in the so-called "iraqi resistence";of those he says there MAY be as many as 7-8,000 FOREIGN fighters! and he says there MAY be another 8-10,0000 local "hangers on".

further,Frank says that the "quagmire of iraq" is a FIGMENT of the mainSLIME media's imagination". he says : WE ARE WINNING over there.

so much for the DIMocRATS "popular uprising" theory!

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1,903 posted on 09/25/2004 12:02:20 PM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: Chickamauga
did you miss my comment that the VA State Police Training Manual,edition of 1999 says that is where the term "cop", came from. (so does the syllabus of the PASP)

go argue with them, PLEASE!

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1,904 posted on 09/25/2004 12:06:22 PM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
[Non-Seq] One side of the equation held that the southern acts were not lawful so the offer to pay, if it ever was made, would be moot.

One side of the equation held that secession was lawful. One side of the equation does not determine what the law is. One side may use military force to impose its will upon the other and then declare itself to be virtuous and right. That particular argument is called "might makes right."

1,905 posted on 09/25/2004 12:07:54 PM PDT by nolu chan
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To: Chickamauga
yep. it seems to fit several damnyankees here on this thread to a tee,especially this "waste of time" arguing about when the term "cop" was first used.

this was supposed to have been an "aside", which SOME here might find interesting. nothing more;nothing less.

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1,906 posted on 09/25/2004 12:09:27 PM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: stand watie
Again with the unsupported assertions. I'm not even going to argue about Shepherd/Shepard, except to mention that if you do a google search of your version, you come up with one hit--another FR post by you. Running it the other way yields 54 hits, all talking about Harper's Ferry.

Regarding his job, I'm perfectly open to being proved wrong on that count. I'd be fascinated to hear how a black man in antebellum Virginia managed to flout the 1831 laws to such an extent that he actually had powers of arrest and presumably could testify in court against white men. That would seem such a remarkable thing that there would be a little more information about it. Alas, I can find none.

As for the COP thing, you're really going to have to explain, then, why the word "cop" and "copper" shows up in England before it shows up in the US.

And remember, just blustering about it without evidence just shows that you're bluffing.

So, have you contacted Dr. Lubar to prove that I've lied or misrepresented what he said yet? If you haven't, I want an apology for your accusation.

1,907 posted on 09/25/2004 12:16:46 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: stand watie
did you miss my comment that the VA State Police Training Manual,edition of 1999 says that is where the term "cop", came from. (so does the syllabus of the PASP)

To quote GOPCapitalist, "I''m amused at how willing you are to take your history lessons out of the unsourced snippets of a bureaucracy," Of course, the VA State Police are noted for their etymological investigatory skills. On the other hand, you might want to consult some actual academic etymologists, who tell us that there aren't any acronymic origins for words before the 20th Century.

1,908 posted on 09/25/2004 12:34:44 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: nolu chan
"Unfortunately, capitan_refugio is dishonest and/or deceptive, as always."

Unfortunately, nolu chan is ignorant and dishonest, as always. You neglect to add that Fehrenbacher's conclusion "is partly confirmed by more definite evidence in the national Archives, where two different sets of page proofs of the Taney opinion have been preserved. Handwritten additions to the proofs constitute about eight pages of the version finally published."

I listed in the previous post, three passages identified by Fehrenbacher with significant changes or additions. The exists additional evidence that these were just the last of the changes made by Taney after sending the opinion to the printer. Fehrenbacher concludes, "It therefore appears that Curtis was substantially correct in his critique of the published opinion."

1,909 posted on 09/25/2004 1:14:04 PM PDT by capitan_refugio (Taney was a liar and a deceiver)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Do you suppose that ownership of property within their borders was assumed and agreed to by both parties to the treaty?

In other words, what was on the ground within their own boundaries belonged to the respective countries.

1,910 posted on 09/25/2004 2:24:35 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: stand watie
go argue with the VASP and the NPS about this one.

No, I'll argue with you because as usual you are making wild-ass claims that have no basis in fact.

1,911 posted on 09/25/2004 5:06:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: rustbucket
In other words, what was on the ground within their own boundaries belonged to the respective countries.

No, in other words who owned the property was agreed to by both parties.

1,912 posted on 09/25/2004 5:07:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: nolu chan
One side of the equation held that secession was lawful.

That's correct. And nobody else held that their actions were lawful. Not the North. Not Great Britain. Nobody.

1,913 posted on 09/25/2004 5:11:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: nolu chan
When the colonists declared independence from the British, the colonies seemed to act as if they believed all publicly owned property within their state belonged to their state and not to the Crown. This is the natural order of things when there is a change of territorial jurisdiction. The precedent you seek would be the history of the world.

And yet the final ownership was not settled until the Treaty of Paris was negotiated and signed by both sides. I would also point out that when the colonists declared independence that they expected to fight for their freedom. They didn't expect to grab what they wanted, shoot up wasn't given up on demand, and walk away. Unlike the confederates.

1,914 posted on 09/25/2004 5:15:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: stand watie
once again you're WRONG.

once again I'm NOT.

1,915 posted on 09/25/2004 5:16:36 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Lincoln was first and foremost a Traitor to the very constitution he had sworn to uphold and defend.


1,916 posted on 09/25/2004 5:17:47 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Goodnight Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: nolu chan
Only when you have learned to demonstrate expertise such as described above, may you attain the Capitan Juris Doctor degree. With this degree, earned by said demonstrated expertise, you earn the right to call all others "Amateur Hour."

Even if I earned such, it would never be enough - the bar is ALWAYS raised by the other side.

1,917 posted on 09/25/2004 6:05:07 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: capitan_refugio
Clarification ... or changing the subject?

Clarification. Otherwise, you might have thought I was talking about tiddlywinks. I wanted to ensure that you understood I was referring to Taney's defense of Rev. Gruber, and that the trial was in 1819, not 1818. Your reply blamed the discrepancy of the dates thusly, "you can blame Carl Swisher". Such a reply indicates the Fehrenbacher simply used the material from Swisher without attempting to validate the information. This was not a court decision, it was not argued before the bench with a resulting opinion. The trial by jury began 10 Mar 1819.

There is little or no reason why Fehrenbacher should have looked at the case; although it appears that he did. A good, concise researcher and writer will point the readers to the original supportive material that he has no intent on challenging.

Obviously Taney's condemnation of slavery and defense of an abolitionist minister doesn't agree with Fehrenbacher's bias, so it's no wonder why Fehrenbacher didn't fully investigate the case.

1,918 posted on 09/25/2004 6:20:37 PM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

No argument here, Brother....you are preaching to the choir! :)


1,919 posted on 09/25/2004 6:29:19 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Who could not conquer with such troops as these?" "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Oh, please. You had plenty of chances to answer when it counted. Stop, you're killing me.

The guy is downright incorrigable. He wantonly attached extraneous material to four separate court decisions and made up a union victory in battle at Fort Davis out of thin air, yet has the audacity to claim that none of his posts are deceptive?!?!?! How many times is it gonna take? I feel like i'm watching Mary Mapes!

1,920 posted on 09/25/2004 6:30:06 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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