THE BATTLE OF ATLANTA: Civilians were Sherman's targets

Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 07/16/04 | JOHN A. TURES

[stand watie]

may i suggest you go find the name of a southern flagged slave ship & post it????

according to the classic book, WHITE OVER BLACK, there were NO US-flagged ships in the US slave trade from the southland. only from the north.

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

may i suggest you go find the name a southern flagged slave ship & post it????

Well, they were all U.S.flagged ships, but one of the last ones captured was the Wanderer, taken by the U.S. Navy in 1858 bound for Georgia with 400 slaves onboard, owned by a southerner, Charles A.L. Lamar. For you to claim that not a single slave ship was owned by southerners is patently wrong. And as for not a single slave being brought in under the confederate flag, can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that on all those hundreds of passages by southern-owned blockade runners that not a single slave was brought it from Cuba or Mexico?

[stand watie]

were it not for our tribal records (oh, i forgot, Indians always LIE TOO, don't we???? and you can't trust anything said to have been done by white men, if an Indian(s) is/are the only witnesses.), there wouldn't be any WRITTEN evidence of the slaughter of my family either.

every good damnyankee apologist KNOWS that the victims & desendents of the hateFILLED, arrogant, cruel, amoral damnyankee invaders ALWAYS LIE, if it makes their invaders look bad. (sarcasm)

it as if the world discounted everything done to the Jews & other "undesirables", during the Hitler Terror, because the NAZIs didn't think it was IMMORAL & didn't write everything they did down.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

and the Wanderer was flagged from what state????

Mass. wasn't it?? from the township of New Bedford???? and the whole crew were from where??? yep, New England.

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

Mass. wasn't it?? from the township of New Bedford???? and the whole crew were from where??? yep, New England.

No, no, and no. Built in New York, not New Bedford. Sold to southerners, specifically Charles Lamar, not people from Massachussetts. Set sail from Charleston, not New England. Bound for Jekyll Island, Georgia via the African slave coast. Captured by U.S. ships.

[stand watie]

my information is that the Wanderer was flagged out of New Bedford,MA, was commanded by a MA captain & crewed by New Englanders.

PLEASE respond with your ORIGIONAL source material for any differences in the data.

books CAN be wrong.

btw, i don't think i said, as i didn't know, where she was built.

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

my information is that the Wanderer was flagged out of New Bedford,MA, was commanded by a MA captain & crewed by New Englanders.

You information is wrong, as usual. Try "The Slaveship Wanderer" by Tom Henderson Wells. The Wanderer was launched in 1857 as a yacht for J.D. johnson of Louisiana. It was sold in 1858 to W.C. Corrie of Charleston, and his associates Charles A. L. Lamar of Savannah and Nelson C. Trowbridge of New Orleans. Converted to the slave trade, Wanderer left Charleston on July 3, 1858 and sailed to Trinidad. She left there July 27, 1858 and sailed to the west coast of Africa. After crossing the Atlantic, Wanderer entered the Congo River on 16 September. She took on board some 500 blacks, in spite of an epidemic of yellow fever in the area, and sailed for North America on October 18. She was briefly chased by USS Vincennes as she left the mouth of the river but not caught. At the end of a six-week voyage in which many of the captives died, Wanderer arrived at Jekyll Island on November 28, 1858 and delivered her slaves. From first to last a southern effort.

[stand watie]

i note that you failed to give an original source for your PSEUDO-information. AND you failed to deny that her captain & crew were ALL from New England.

ONCE MORE, (SIGH!) the classic book, WHITE OVER BLACK, states that "NO slave ship was ever owned or crewed by persons from the southern states. the hands of the northerners are NOT CLEAN." (emphasis, mine)

the point is that you & the other damnyankees on FR are UNwilling to EVER admit that anything done by the money-grubbing, self-righteous,arrogant damnyankees was less than PERFECT & that anything ever done by southerners was anything other than flawed,stupid & evil. that makes the unionist cause & her adherents look DUMB!

personal to YOU: you are SMARTER than your peers here. too bad that you don't educate them, as they might listen to their betters.

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

i note that you failed to give an original source for your PSEUDO-information. AND you failed to deny that her captain & crew were ALL from New England.

More SW BS. I gave the source. And I will deny that her captain and crew were all from New England. And I will repeat that her owners were all from the south. She set sail from a southern port. And she returned to a southern port with a cargo of illegal slaves.

ONCE MORE, (SIGH!) the classic book, WHITE OVER BLACK, states that "NO slave ship was ever owned or crewed by persons from the southern states. the hands of the northerners are NOT CLEAN." (emphasis, mine)

And ONCE MORE (SIGH!), the classic book, THE SLAVESHIP WANDERER, states that THE WANDERER was OWNED by SOUTHERN INTRESTS. She SAILED from a SOUTHERN PORT. She RETURNED to a SOUTHERN PORT with a cargo of ILLEGAL SLAVES for SOUTHERN OWNERS. (emphasis mine) You are incapable of accepting the truth, incapable of recognizing the truth if jumped out and bit you on your Jefferson Davis. You are the most amazing, bigoted, closed minded, ranting figure I have ever come across.

[stand watie]

you're SMARTER than that.

i can only believe that you think the other people on this thread don't have the education you have AND that they don't know that there is a HUGE difference between an ORIGIONAL SOURCE DOCUMENT & a DERIVATIVE SOURCE, like the book THE WANDERER.

all here, with the possible exception of the damnyankee lunatics in your coven, DO KNOW that you quoted a secondary, derivative source.

btw, i'd sooner have the reputation as the "most amazing,bigoted,closed minded,ranting figure" than have your reputation as a LIAR, an APOLOGIST FOR THE DAMNYANKEE WAR CRIMINALS and/or a person whose mission in life is to MISeducate your fellows on the net.

free dixie,sw

[Wampus SC]

WSC:
"Which means Lincoln was a basically dishonest, and a devious enough person to set it.

NS:
"And which would also have to mean that Davis was basically too stupid to see that he was being set up and fell right into Lincolns clutches. Right?"

That's right only for those who think expecting even the smallest amount of integrity, character, straightforwardness or honor is stupid. People who'd think these things stupid are people who despise those qualities. It's easy to see how Davis wouldn't expect to face an adversary who had none of any of those qualities. He had never seen one like that in war or peace, and neither had anyone else. Until Lincoln.

WSC:
So, he figured Lincoln would act like a man, with some honesty an honor, instead of sneaking around practicing fakery to set his traps like a weaselly coward.

NS:
Utter nonsense.

That's right. It was utter nonsense for Davis to expect more than that of Lincoln.

[Wampus SC]

"All of which is southron speak for, "No, I don't have any evidence to support my outrageous claims. I expect you to accept my stories on face value."

All of which is your way of saying, "No matter how many times I'm shown exactly how I won't have to take it at face value, I'm not going to look at the evidence."

[Wampus SC]

PeaRidge:
"The truth is that no country in the western hemisphere engaged in a war to free slaves.

NS:
True. But everything in my reply was true as well.

You say that's true? But I know I heard somewhere that the United States was in the Western Hemisphere in 1861.

[Wampus SC]

"this thread, otoh, has been USEFUL as it CLEARLY illustrates the cruelty, immorality & capacity for pure evil to our "readers".

It has another use too. NS et. al. are doing the best recruiting job for the cause of Southern Independence that I've ever seen.

[Wampus SC]

The story thus far:

Q. Was the Wanderer flagged from New Bedford.

A. It was built in New York.

...............

Flagged from <> built in.

Misdirection - a necessary rhetorical trick for those who know their position is untenable.

Misdirections are also known as non sequiturs.

[Wampus SC]

"More SW BS. I gave the source. And I will deny that her captain and crew were all from New England."

Got any evidence to back up that denial?

"Surely you have some evidence other than that to support such a claim?"

[Non-Sequitur]

a HUGE difference between an ORIGIONAL SOURCE DOCUMENT & a DERIVATIVE SOURCE, like the book THE WANDERER.

So what makes the alleged book that you claim supports your crazy claims ORIGINAL SOURCE DOCUMENT and the book I used to support my claim a DERIVATIVE SOURCE?

[Non-Sequitur]

You say that's true? But I know I heard somewhere that the United States was in the Western Hemisphere in 1861

Very good. Seems that the southern school system manages to instill some correct information after all. But if you follow the posts back to Post 552 then you'll see that everything I said there was true. And not a single country in the Western Hemisphere engaged in war to end slavery.

[Non-Sequitur]

Got any evidence to back up that denial?

Yep. The Slaveship Wanderer by Tom Henderson Wells.