Homosexuality Avoidable, Doctor Tells Parents

San Francisco Faith: The Bay Areas Lay Catholic Newspaper. ^ | Dr. Joseph Nicolosi

[Tom Bombadil]

Personally, I think that person was full of it.

I am convinced that not only was he full of it, but also that he knew that he was full of it. He was not interested in truth, just in what he could get.

So much of what is said about this subject nowdays is merely recruitment.

You may be right about the bi-sexual thing. That would lead me to believe that early sexual experiences can shape one's orientation. I recently became aware of just such a situation that resulted in a so-called "bi-sexual" frame of reference.

[Jaysun]

AND in Catholic Schools (where I went) all the teachers were women as well. Out of the 48 kids in my 8th grade class, not a one turned out gay.

OK, but when he looked specifically at homosexuals, he found a lack of male influence. That isn't to say that no male influence = homosexuality every time, but it is to say that homosexuality = lack of male influence almost every time.

[Jaysun]

I tend to agree with netmilsmon. Has there been any studies to say that homeschooled kids are more likely to turn out to be gay? Or is that just a subjective assumption? I don't want to dismiss his point entirely, but the article seemed to go on at length about homeschooling. I'm no expert, but I've not noticed a connection. Most of the gays, I've known went to public schools. And they are more likely to be taught and exposed to homosexual concepts in public school than in homeschool.

IMHO you guys are zooming in on the homeschooling issue when that isn't the jest of the article. He says that people who homeschool have to go the extra mile to make sure that their boys have adequate contact with other boys.

"I'm not saying that home-schooling produces homosexuals. I am saying that parents who home-school have an additional burden of being concerned about these issues."

Isn't that a true statement? I also think that he mentions homeschool because his audience has a high percentage of parents who homeschool. The theme of his study, in my opinion, seems to be that we should make sure that our boys have an adequate amount of male influence over them.

[longtermmemmory]

The fact that homosexuals activly attact NARTH should make all parents give them at least a look.

He did not say homeschool, he said "be aware". Narth has been around for some time, they are among the few organizations that publicly take the position that homosexuality is learned.

Why do parents homeschool? Among the many reasons is that public schools provide bad role models. Seems like nothing anti-homschool to say children need proper rolemodels.

[Jaysun]

It doesnt mention Lesbians....

You're right. It focuses on the gay male issue. Are girls that lack female influences more likely to become lesbian? I don't know. It stands to reason. Think about "tom boys." Many lesbians have been victims of sexual abuse(Melissa Ethridge was molested by her sister).

[DannyTN]

I don't dissagree that fathers and male influence is important in the life of young boys.

But I am very skeptical about the claims that homeschooled children have less male influence than public schooled kids. I doubt that there is any link between homeschooling and homosexuality.

He makes that claim and then bashes homeschooling to support the claim. At a time when the establishment has declared war on homeschooling. I want to see studies backing a claim like this, before I accept it as true.

[Jaysun]

I am utterly amazed at the people bashing this article when they didn't even take the time to read it. I expected some people to disagree with the author, but I expected they would disagree with what he's actually saying.

Me too! My guess is that they teach their kids at home and it rubbed them wrong. I would have expected this kind of reaction and misunderstanding of the basic facts from liberals, but to have Conservatives grossly misunderstand something like this is baffling.

[Jaysun]

It is not fair to generalize the results of study of Catholic behaviors to non-Catholics.

I disagree. What does a lack of male influence have anything to do with the faith of the father or child? He also never says that his study was limited to Catholics.

[BykrBayb]

The one with Leslie Anne Warren?

[Jaysun]

But I am very skeptical about the claims that homeschooled children have less male influence than public schooled kids. I doubt that there is any link between homeschooling and homosexuality.

Where does he make such claims? I think that you may have misunderstood some of his statements.

[DoctorMichael]

Hmmmmmm......Interesting.

I always thought it had to do with basic potty training and the avoidance/acceptance of feces.

[DannyTN]

"Where does he make such claims? I think that you may have misunderstood some of his statements."

In rereading the article what he does is insinuates early on that homeschoolers have a special concern. Then he goes on and has at least 6 different paragraphs where he keeps bringing up homeschoolers. Now to be fair he does deny that there is any link and actually states homeschool parents are usually more committed to the kids. But the insinuation was already made and then dredged over and over and over. Perhaps it is just a poorly written article. But it has the feel of an attack on homeschoolers. You read it and you get the impression he is linking the two. Otherwise, why even bring homeschooling up.

[In_25_words_or_less]

Lack of sexual identity and abuse or molestation is what causes homosexuality.

That sweeping generality doesn't statistically stand up. Too many non-abused homosexuals. And too many abused heterosexuals.

[BykrBayb]

Dr. Nicolosi did not claim that home-schooled children have less male influence than public schooled kids. As a matter of fact, he said in his experience, their fathers are more involved than other fathers. He did not say that there is any link between homeschooling and homosexuality. He did not bash home-schooling. Why would you want to see studies backing a claim like this, if you can't even read this?

[DallasMike]

The one with Leslie Anne Warren?

Oh, my goodness -- I think that cured me. She's a mega-babe but I liked her best in Clue.

[Steve Eisenberg]

He did not bash home-schooling.

Why should he? It sounds like a lot of his income comes from home schooling families. But he does clearly think there is an association between home schooling and homosexuality, despite lack of a little thing called evidence. Thus a bash, and an unfair one, can be fairly inferred.

The causes of homosexuality are poorly understood. Boys with a greater number of older brothers do have substantially more likelihood of being gay. It has been argued that this proves a genetic cause, and it has been argued that this proves an environmental cause. I would argue that it proves that the cause of homosexuality, especially male homosexuality, is poorly understood, at least by those of us for whom sin will not do as an answer.

Suppose you were an objective seeker after truth, whereever it might lead, who decided to dedicate your life for the next thirty years to understanding the causes of homosexuality. Truth is, you would find a heck of a difficult time getting a job. And nothing gets a professor in hot water faster than saying the wrong thing about the origins of homosexuality. So good researchers who have a family of their own to support stay away from this. Instead we have people like the man in the OP who talks with confidence when he should be most humble.

[netmilsmom]

Yes I read the article. It flip flops half way through. First he says homosexuals are caused by mother's homeschooling boys/boys having no male exposure then states most homeschooling families have strong fathers.

Did YOU read it?

[BykrBayb]

There, see? What you needed wasn't masculine influence.

[BykrBayb]

He does not suggest a link between home-schooling and homosexuality. He suggests a link between poorly defined gender distinctions and homosexuality. He says that part of the process of a child learning gender distinction is a bonding or an identification with the father, which he suggests is common in households where children are home-schooled. He also says part of the process involves peer interaction, which usually involves a deliberate attempt on the part of parents to achieve in a home-schooled environment.

[BykrBayb]

First he says homosexuals are caused by mother's homeschooling boys/boys having no male exposure...

He does not say that! He doesn't even come close to saying that.