Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture

GOPUSA.com ^ | Januray.26,2004 | Bobby Eberle

[Capitalist Eric]

we just can't let ourselves become single-issue voters, at least not over this single issue.

With respect, I must disagree.

Even making the proposal of alien-amnesty, is starting to have repercussions. The pebble-on-the-pond example, ya' know?

The damage this will do, as I said before, will be a disaster.

1. The labor-rates across the entire private-sector will be driven into the dirt, causing
2. Loss of cash-flows to the government, and a general decline in the buying-power of the consumer, causing
3. A general decline in macroeconomic performance, and
4. Budgetary short-falls (a la California, but on a national scale).
5. The absolute refusal of the aliens to integrate will cause social unrest- if they can't speak English, they'll have a tough time getting work, and the real American citizens will resent being forced to learn the language of the invading aliens, just to keep their job (which is suffering from pay reductions, because of those same aliens).
6. Real-estate values will fall as the median incomes go down, and the standard of living declines (coupled with having 12+ people living in the house next door, complete with all their refuse, foreign music and bad manners).

These effects will take hold quickly, soon after the passage of this bill.

You may think I'm exaggerating things, but if you're in a border-state, and see the stuff I see every day...? You'd know exactly what I mean...

[skip2myloo]

Agree with everything you said, I just can't come to the same conclusion.

I still think Bush is a better choice than any of the Democrats who will be the ultimate nominee.

This bout is between Dubya and probably either Dean or Kerry, but it really is too early to tell.

If all three were running in the same primary, I would still vote for Bush

And, its tough -- because we agree on Amnesty and I feel just as strongly about CFR and the Patriot Act.

But, Bush is still the best option, unless a real conservative is drafted at the convention (and we both know that won't happen).

[Atlas Sneezed]

Look, there's no question he's trying to garner some of the Latino vote -- this thing still has to get batted around in congress -- let's watch it play for awhile.

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Result: the exact same as if Gore were President, except that fewer Republicans would sell out their party's principle and roll over to have the Pres scratch their bellies for Gore than for Bush.

[farmfriend]

Well spoken!

[My2Cents]

But I didn't elect Republicans in order to get massive new entitlements.

Since when has "conservatism" meant pocketbook issues alone? Has anyone on FR who supports Pres. Bush actually ENDORSED huge new domestic spending?! No. They've all said there are other issues which trump the fiscal issues.

No disrepect to you, but I see so many conservatives that have their noses so buried in their wallets that they can't see the bigger picture. Some at least have the integrity to say, "I don't care for the spending, but Bush is the only choice considering everything."

As far as the feeble threats of the Trancredoites to write him in to "send a message," I related this to a friend of mine who doesn't come on FreeRepublic, and his response to the naysayers is, "Some say, 'I'm going to vote for _____ in order to send a message.' Translated into English, what they're saying is, 'I'm so stupid...'" Truthfully, the naysayers underwhelm me as very small minded people. I know we're not suppose to get "personal" in our attacks on people, but I can't escape this impression, that they're small-mindedness, and painfully shallow and nearsighted with such huge issues of war and peace overshadowing everything.

[My2Cents]

In the final analysis, who really gives a rat's ass what what you "got" from this President?

[My2Cents]

But I'm not about to bare my throat in a submissive gesture just because illegal aliens are now suddenly "guest workers".

I don't anyone is asking you to cave-in and march in lock-stepped silence. As someone who enthusiastically supports Bush's re-election, I will tell you that I have doubts about his immgration proposal. I support the President in spite of my doubts because I think it is foolish and immature to say that one or two issues should cause one to break from the President. I think the mature thing, as you have articulated, is to express opposition to policies one does not agree with, but to realize that there are other policies that are worth supporting, and that these tip the balance in favor of support for the President. What I see from the Bashers on FR is a strident hatred of the President over one or two issues -- not just a disagreement, but a loathing of George W. Bush over one or two things. I just don't get that perspective. And in the intensity of their loathing, I see no difference between them and the Deaniacs.

[My2Cents]

Chesterton was, of course, talking about Christianity. I don't think he would approve of using his sentiment in support of isolationism.

[Capitalist Eric]

In the final analysis, who really gives a rat's ass what what you "got" from this President?

WTF? I don't know who you think you're quoting, but it's not ME

And, for the record, I didn't get anything from this President, nor did I expect anything...
But I do expect him to do his job. If he doesn't, then I'd expect him to face the consequences, i.e, a pink slip...

[My2Cents]

Sometimes the most succinct comments are the wisest. Good comment.

[Capitalist Eric]

I support the President in spite of my doubts because I think it is foolish and immature to say that one or two issues should cause one to break from the President.

translation: ignorance is bliss.

(((shaking head in disgust)))

[My2Cents]

What scares me more than a democrat president is a democrat commander-in-chief.

We've already tried that. They seem to spend more time having more than just their egos stroked over the Oval Office sink.

[My2Cents]

I'm sure Bush lost Barry Bonds' vote on SOTU night.

[MissAmericanPie]

ROFLOL, he lists Bush's betrayals, grants us permission to be angry and put off, then has the gall to say, but vote for him anyway, even though he has done everything in his power but throw rocks at conservatives like we are curr dogs to be run out of the big tent.

And why? Because he's not a demonrat, he just governs like one.

[Texasforever]

Hey not a great positive campaign theme. "Vote for me, the other guy is worse".

That is only reality. You are aquainted with reality....right?

[My2Cents]

"Ignorance is bliss" I guess that explains how you're able to throw your vote away, and the fate of this country, over one or two things which bend your nose out of shape. Tell me, when selfishness and narrow-mindedness became such stellar "conservative" values?

[My2Cents]

The fact that you cannot find ONE THING that Bush has done which might be considered consistent with "conservative values" tells me one of two things about you: 1) you either have such a narrow definition of "conservative" that it's grossly mutated beyond recognition, or 2) you really aren't a conservative.

[Allan]

Reality. Go to Hell slowly or go to Hell rapidly. I agree. Let's go slowly.

[MissAmericanPie]

Which goes to show that your two cents is worth about a peso. Conservatives have not changed, the definition of Republican has.

[Texasforever]

If a "moderate" republican can only win by 532 votes against the most socialist candidate/Gore in our history why do so many around here believe that a "red meat" conservative is just what the doctor ordered? When every issue poll showing voter concerns are for INCREASING spending on healthcare, education, Social Security/Medicare and all of the other "social" services, where is the hidden groundswell for cutting those programs? Make the electorate conservative and the government will become conservative.