JFK's fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)

jmasland.com & others | 11/22/03

[Indie]

I also just read that there was no chain of custody for pristine bullet or 3rd bullet casing, nobody really remembers whose stretcher it was on, and that a ballistics expert testified that the bullet in pic taken in 1964 and supposedly same bullet pic taken later are not one in the same by a long shot. You can clearly see it in the photo. Later pic of bullet showed a bullet fired from a weapon whose rifling was nearly smooth and neither had organic material present. I read the testimony. After reading the testimony and other info, I'd have to conclude Oswald got off two rounds...first one a hit (unknown which hit) and second a miss (probably hit Gov Connely or missed completely hitting curb and bystander.) 3rd and/or 4th bullet(s) fired almost simultaneously from another location(s), behind or in front, it doesn't matter, in case Oswald missed, one or both of which hit. IMO. The 3rd bullet casing which "turned up later"...well..no police Captain is going to put it in his pocket and forget about it, only to disclose it later, and if they did, it wouldn't be admissable. It looks like history/evidence was put in a blender on this one and we'll never know for sure.

[Shooter 2.5]

It was a four power Japanese side mount. The mount was made out of sheet metal.

[Shooter 2.5]

The first bullet hit a bystander at the triple underpass. It or concrete hit him in the cheek after bouncing off the curb. It was never found.

The second was found on the Connelly's gurney. He has a final shallow thigh wound.

The third broke into two major pieces. The nose and the base. Those pieces broke the windshield and dented the chrome. One piece was found on the driver seat and the other on the front floorboard. All fragments and the bullet were traced to Oswald's rifle.

[Shooter 2.5]

Kennedy moves a couple of inches forward from the impact.

[gdc61]

your post wasn't to me but i find it hard to believe these guys were experts. 8 seconds is a long time. i purchased a 6.5mm carc. 2 years ago from a guy for $50 bucks to make a deer rifle for my wife. see posts 160 and 165. at the time i didn't realize it was the same type rifle used by oswald. i have fired it dozens of times. it has a very smooth action and is an accurate weapon. i honestly believe i could duplicate those shots.

[gdc61]

odd how the first clip is better quality than the second.

[Shooter 2.5]

It's a little out of focus.

I think Zapruder did a remarkable job keeping it in the focus considering what was happening. He said the sound "reverberated" around him.

[gdc61]

i can't imagine witnessing something like that. I always admired JFK, long before I realized he was a closet conservative, and if alive today would most likely be a republican or at least a Zel Miller dem.

[Az Joe]

"Kennedy moves forward..."

Exactly right.

[Wolfstar]

So far, the two doctors who have posted on FR on this topic, you [CholeraJoe] and Ophiucus...

Swordmaker, not knowing either individual personally, all I can say is I have serious doubts as to whether or not CholeraJoe is a physician. As for Ophiucus, I missed his posts on the subject, so cannot comment. However, any bona fide physician worthy of the title who looks at the following still from the Zapruder film and still claims the head wound was caused by a frontal shot is someone who, at best, must have been dead bottom of his class in medical school.

Physical evidence is a funny thing. It speaks for itself no matter who says what, and who tries to twist things in order to make a buck off other people's tragedy. In this still, we see the upper right side of Kennedy's head blown apart. The autopsy x-rays show that part of the president's skull mostly missing, and what remains of the skull fractured in many places due to the explosive force of the bullet exiting out the right-front of the skull. We have frontal and side autopsy photos that show the shattered right front of the skull.

All of this material speaks for itself. Although, several times, I invited CholeraJoe to describe the injuries clinically, the fact is the material doesn't need an explanation. Certainly not from anonymous individuals posting on an internet forum, claiming to be physicians, and yet failing to explain clinically what they see in these materials. And no, claiming these materials are "faked" simply will not do. That's the fallback position of a charlatan.

[CholeraJoe]

A. You're incorrect about my qualifications. I graduated sixth in my class from Medical School. And before you fling any more insults - Yes it was a US Med School and a good one.

B. The radiographs which you posted do not have any markings indicating their place of origin.

C. What they appear to show is massive head trauma due to a high velocity gunshot wound. There is no well-defined entrance wound in the parietal-occipital area (back of the head).

D. A high velocity hollow-point projectile entering from the front but at an angle could cause the massive avulsion of the scalp and bone flap, as well as the other skull fractures. Kennedy recoiled backwards, remember?

E. An intact bullet was found on Connolly's stretcher (I was wrong about it being on Kennedy's.)and was postulated to have passed through two men's chests and one leg and ended up intact??!

F. There are multiple metallic fragments noted on the radiographs. Were any of them recovered? If not, why not? Did they match the weapon Oswald carried?

G. There are unanswered questions about the wounds and the ballistics and your frantic ramblings haven't provided the answers.

[Shooter 2.5]

B. Are you saying they're fakes?

D. Two large fragments were found at the front of the limo. One had cracked the windshield and the other had dented the chrome. The two fragments represented the nose and the base of a bullet traced to Oswald's rifle and no other. JFK's body moved forward at the moment of impact.

E. Two chests, one wrist and a shallow wound on the thigh. A military 161 grain full metal jacketed bullet moving at 2000 Feet a Second would have left JFK's body with the same force as a .357 Magnum.

G. No one needs to be a doctor to see the obvious.

[CholeraJoe]

B. Are you saying they're fakes?

Not necessarily. Just every radiograph I've ever seen is date/time stamped and identified by the institution which produced it. Even radiographs produced in the 60's in the rural south. One wonders why these aren't.

I still don't see an entrance wound on the back of the head, do you?

[Shooter 2.5]

The X-Ray to me represents a right frontal view and appears to match this side view. The entrance hole looks like it's at the bottom of the loose plate in the X-Ray and isn't shown due to the right-front angle.

[Tares]

I remember someone saying that there was a last minute change in the motorcade route. That originally they weren't supposed to go by the bookstore. The supposition there was that Oswald could not possibly have known of the change in the route days before when he was picking his shot-spot and therefore set himself up in the wrong position if he was going to kill Kennedy. Had either of you ever heard/read that one. I suppose the route had to be common knowledge just before the motorcade came through that day or else there wouldn't have been so many people lining the street there.

Changed Motorcade Route in Dallas?

[Tares]

Kennedy assassination links for all to consider (in no particular order):

Kennedy Assassination Home Page
Lee Harvey Oswald's Paper Bag
Guinn’s neutron-activation Analysis
Warren Report: Table of Contents
One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK
The Academic JFK Assassination Web Site
HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations) Final Assassinations Report
A Critique of The Warren Report
Attempted assassination of General Walker
Oswald interviews, Acoustic studies and other information relating to the assassination of JFK
Queen of Diamonds
Zapruder 313
Head Wound
Photos and Illustrations of the JFK Assassination
Zapruder Head Shot
A Conspiracy Too Big? Intellectual Dishonesty in the JFK Assassination
The Single Bullet Strikes John Connally
Changed Motorcade Route in Dallas?

[gooleyman]

Tares,
Could you redo that link. It didn't work.

Thanks.

[itsahoot]

"The conspiracy theories drive me nuts."

Maybe if you just stare at that magical bullet, that Sphincter dreamed up, it will calm you down. On second thought, just go lay down, the government will wake you up when they need you.

[Wolfstar]

A. As I said, I don't know you, so can't independently verify your line of work. However — and with all due respect — I am free to be impressed or unimpressed with your commentary posted on this thread.

B. I am not the only person who posted radiographs on this thread. Have you looked at Post #173? Those x-rays show the identifying information.

C. The entrance wound could not be seen in the x-ray I posted because it was a side view. Look at enlargement (2nd image down) of the frontal view in Post #173. The entrance wound is clearly visible in the center-left just above eye level.

D. Since I am not a ballistics expert, I can't comment on your assertion in your Item D. However, again, look at the frontal x-ray enlargement in Post #173.

E. Being a voluminous reader, and having read most of the best-known conspiracy theory books over the years, I'm fully aware of the issues related to the so-called Magic Bullet. I would only say this: Acknowledging the truth that the fatal head shot came from the rear does not in any way preclude the possibility of a conspiracy.

F. Fragments of the bullet that struck Kennedy's head were recovered in the car and yes, they did match the ammo and weapon found in the Texas School Book Depository. As for the fragments embedded in his skull and head tissue, I don't know if any of those were extracted. (Once again, you are free to do your own research on these and other questions.)

G. My "frantic ramblings" are not intended to provide answers, although I've provided you and others who visit this thread with plenty of material to delve into their own search for answers. Rather, I've been taking extra time and effort with you, because I'm dismayed that a person who ID's himself as an MD seems so, well...

[mass55th]

The quote you used in your comment to me: "The conspiracy theories drive me nuts." was not mine. It was written by Veronica (reply 22), and I merely cut and pasted that line to respond to Veronica. You should really make sure you are responding to the correct person's quote before going off half-cocked.