Kennedy’s Comrade: Hunting a KGB Mole in the Democratic Party

Original FReeper research | 10/23/2006 | Fedora

[popdonnelly]

"Huh? Civil War period?"

Jack, most of the leadership of the Confederacy was made up of southern Democrats. The Democratic Party in New York was sympathetic to the South. See also the history of the "Copperheads", northern Democrats who the Confederates actually tried to recruit into some sort of a coup.

[Fedora]

In other words, The times really were a changin' and the Kennedy's wanted to crawl on board.

I think that was the gist of it, and the '68 election was a big part of the motivation. Robert had started to break with LBJ on Vietnam a couple years before that, but didn't really publicly commit himself to an antiwar stance until about the time he entered the '68 campaign, after he saw that Eugene McCarthy seemed to have a shot running on an antiwar ticket.

[Jim Noble]

We will eventually come to an Indonesian solution of this problem...

[Fedora]

Dellums was another one. But his involvement with CPUSA was pretty blatant and not much of a secret to the intelligence community, I think. The year he was elected he went to a World Peace Council function which was monitored by US intelligence and was noted in a Congressional report on the antiwar movement's CP/SWP ties c. 1970, IIRC.

[popdonnelly]

Excellent work, Fedora.

[Jim Noble]

Clinton's visit to Czecho and the USSR was most unusual.

For US Senators, there was an overt reason to go (in addition, there may have been covert reasons, of course).

But for a footloose college boy to be hosted behind the Iron Curtain, months after the tanks rolled into Prague, would have been very, very unusual.

There had to be more to the story.

[Fedora]

Interesting idea.

[acsrp38]

Occidental Oil head Armand Hammer

| Can you say algore???

[1066AD]

Yes, footloose and broke too but he "somehow" went anyway.

[advertising guy]

it was more than one mole

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

Yes - exactly so.

Here's a timeline of 1968

http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/collections/exhibits/arch/1968/Index.html

You can almost make yourself believe that there was a concerted effort on the part of the USSR and their minions to change the world order in this year.

Tet Offensive
Paris Riots
Riots in US after MLK assasinated
Riots in Chicago during DNC convention
Invasion of Czecho
Various other SDS shenanigans

I lived through 1968 (although only 12 years old). I was aware of all these events but probably not their global significance. Truly they were "Interesting Times". Not good.

[Fedora]

I got a chance to look just now, and Abramson does discuss Harriman performing that function for Carter on pp. 688-691. There's another recent book on Carter that discusses this, but I don't recall the title offhand. I don't know if Carter used Tunney this way. Kennedy would've been aware Tunney was talking to the Soviets, but I don't know if he knew he was working for them. Kennedy and Tunney may well have been arrogant enough to think they were clever enough to play this game and use the Soviets instead of being used by them--I would not be surprised if they don't see themselves as traitors because in their eyes they're "above the law" that binds non-Kennedys.

[FMBass]

Ann Coulter's excellent book "Treason" is a great place to start..."

Ditto that!

[dgallo51]

Please ping me if you should discover anything enlightening on the subject.

[Buckhead]

Didn't Carter approach the Soviets during the 80 and 84 races to "warn" them about Reagan and to get "help" to defeat them? That would put it during the same campaign as the Kennedy - Tunney contact.

[popdonnelly]

At present, Tunney is President of the Museum Board of Armand Hammer Museum of Art and Cultural Center at UCLA.

[AmeriBrit]

Oxford University and Rhodes scholarship are a breeding ground for communism. On visits to my birth place across the pond, and friends who have influence at my request, have spent hours going through the archived micro-fish records at the newspaper and have come up zilch on any mention of Clinton ever being a Rhodes scholar, his expulsion, his rapid departure in disgrace, or the rape of Eileen Weldon. For some reason all reference to him and his activities during that period have been sealed. Very few are aware of his flag burning episode, but I saw that with my own eyes and is why I first became interested in the antics of WJC. When it became known that he'd left Oxford and headed to Moscow, when it was against the law for anyone crossing the border into the USSR that held a U.S. passport, it just made things more interesting. It's just my opinion, but I would bet money he's involved in this somewhere, somehow.

[Fedora]

Yes, I'm pretty sure I remember reading about Carter doing that during the '80 election. I think he used a different intermediary than Tunney, though I don't remember who it was offhand.

[Fedora]

Yes. Everything seems to revolve around Hammer.

[Fedora]

Here's some discussion of what Clinton was up to during that period. The link is from Thomas, so it may or may not work; if not you can access this through their search engine.

"CLINTON IN ENGLAND (House of Representatives - September 15, 1992", [Page: H8445]

Clinton's Early Dovecote Updated

Bill Clinton's draft record has dogged him since serious questions were first raised in the Wall Street Journal last February. After a hollow attempt (in the name of `full disclosure') by his friend and fellow Rhodes Scholar, Strobe Talbott, to put the charges to rest in the April issue of Time, a series of new revelations has raised more questions about Mr. Clinton's truthfulness in reporting his record.

But there is a more fundamental dimension of Mr. Clinton's anti-war activities during his Oxford days that neither he nor Mr. Talbott has yet addressed. This new information raises questions that are just as troubling as whether Mr. Clinton dodged the draft then and whether he is lying now.

To learn this story, we turn to the Rev. Richard McSorley, a Jesuit priest and professor of peace studies who has taught at Georgetown University since Bill Clinton's undergraduate days there. Father McSorley's memoir about his international travels with the pacifist movement, Peace eyes, was published in 1977 and is now out of print. Peace Eyes begins: `When I got off the train in Oslo, Norway, I met Bill Clinton of Georgetown University. He asked if he could go with me visiting peace people. We visited the Oslo Peace Institute, talked with conscientious objectors, with peace groups, and with university students. At the end of the day as Bill was preparing to leave, he commented, `This is a great way to see a country.' '

Father McSorley was so impressed with Bill Clinton that he wrote in his Foreword, `I thought at the time that this his [Mr. Clinton's] words summarized what I wanted to say in this book. To see a country with a peace focus, through the eyes of peace people is a good way to travel, a good way to see a country and the world.'

As a Rhodes Scholar in England, Bill Clinton learned to see the world, including his native America, through the eyes of the international peace movement. The details of this perspective, and its influence on Bill Clinton's worldview, have received no attention. The record should be set straight for all voters, regardless of how they feel about his response to service in the U.S. armed forces.

Father McSorley recalls that on `Nov. 15, 1969, I participated in the British moratorium against the Vietnam War in front of the U.S. Embassy at Grosvenor Square in London. Even the appearance of the Embassy stressed the over-exaggerated nature of America's power. * * * The total effect of architecture and decor says to the passer-by, `America is the biggest and greatest power on the globe' * * * That day in November about 500 Britons and Americans were meeting to express their sorrow at America's misuse of power in Vietnam * * * Most of them carried signs which said, Americans out of Vietnam.'

Father McSorely goes on to describe vividly the demonstration, which ended with a chorus of `We shall overcome.'

`The activities in London supporting the second stage of the moratorium and the March of Death in Washington, were initiated by Group 68 [Americans in Britain],' wrote Father McSorely. `This group had the support of British peace organizations, including the Committee on Nuclear Disarmament, the British Peace Council, and the International Committee for Disarmament and Peace.'

Then comes this revelation: `The next day I joined with about 500 other people for the interdenominational service. Most of them were young, and many of them were Americans. As I was waiting for the ceremony to begin, Bill Clinton of Georgetown, then studying as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, came up and welcomed me. He was one of the organizers. * * * After the service Bill introduced me to some of his friends. With them, we paraded over to the American Embassy, carrying white crosses made of wood about 1 foot high. There we left the crosses as an indication of our desire to end the agony of Vietnam.'

Father McSorely can hardly be called a tool of the opponents to Bill Clinton's candidacy for president. Yet his prosaic, thorough depiction of those events, puts Bill Clinton squarely in the lead of a series of demonstrations with the public support of the British Peace Council, an affiliate of the World Peace Council and as obvious a front group for the Soviet KGB's international department as any that ever was.

Now, Bill Clinton at Oxford was no naif. He was a calculating political analyst, already confirmed in his ambition as a leader of his generation. By his own testimony, in his letter to ROTC Director Col. Eugene Holmes, Bill Clinton was taking great care to preserve what he considered his `political viability.' In this letter, Mr. Clinton also maintained that `not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did.'

With this in mind, cooperation alone in anti-American demonstrations abroad would raise eyebrows. But Bill Clinton did more that cooperate; Bill Clinton was a leader of a movement under the direct aegis and support of one of the most notorious communist front organizations in Europe.

Further, it was at Oxford that Mr. Clinton gathered around him the advisors who still constitute some of the senior leadership of his campaign. The American people deserve a full accounting, now, of Bill Clinton's contacts in and coordination with the World Peace Council's British leadership.

Spare us Strobe Talbott's `full disclosure' and your own pussyfooting, Governor. Tell us everything, tell us yourself, and tell us now.