Posted on 08/09/2023 4:33:39 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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I wonder how many smoking guns it takes for the FBI to realize that a serious attempt has been made on the very life blood of our nation
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You mean that they, the FBI+, didn’t init (”fire”) themselves?? /s
More proof of what I keep saying. Courts are garbage. They are usually incompetent, corrupt, or both.
It is an accident when a court gets something right.
So what do you propose as a replacement?
Good old Michigan…
We had a solid law and order gubernatorial candidate disqualified for invalid signatures on primary petitions. If one signature was determined to be fraudulent, the entire sheet was thrown out. Thus it was easy for him to be denied a place on the election ballot dues to falling short on signatures.
I can’t believe how our whole “democracy” has become a modern cesspool of corruption.
Yep, even France successfully switched back to same day/paper ballots... Makes me wonder what the heck are we waiting for?
Structural changes. I've written a lot about it in the past and it gets a little involved.
Courts have a lot of procedural problems that they are blind to seeing as a problem. Let me give you one example.
Years ago the Supreme court came up with this "fruit of a poisoned tree" thing.
In practice it means that if a cop commits an illegal search and find incriminating evidence, all the evidence must get thrown out.
The criminal goes free, the cop who committed the illegal act goes free, and the public is denied justice.
What would make more sense is if the court did not cover it's eyes to factual information.
If evidence is obtained illegally, it's still evidence and it still proves the defendant guilty. He still did it.
If a cop commits an illegal act in obtaining evidence, he gets away with it. He does not get punished. He should.
Cops should be incentivized to *NOT* commit illegal acts, and criminals should be incentivized to *NOT* commit illegal acts.
The cop should go to jail, and so should the criminal.
Society is better served when all who break the law are punished equally.
There are other aspects of the court mindset that need to be changed, like their obsession and worship of "precedent" instead of "first principles."
They have codified the logical fallacy of "argumentum ad antiquitatum" by their deference to "precedent."
They are wrong headed and have been taught a lot of procedural crap. I could go on and on, but it isn't likely to change anything.
And yet they somehow managed 200 years ago to get it done before midnight, without computers.
I bet 200 years ago they didn’t have over 150 million people in 50 states all voting on the same day.
President Trump almost won Muskegon County in 2020.
The city of Muskegon is a blue city.
Get my drift?
The Muskegon County vote total stands out like a sore thumb. I suspect The Tater would have crushed Trump in Muskegon had this gone undetected. Now - extrapolate that to other Michigan counties where "Dirty Josey" Benson and Nazi Nessel looked the other way, or actively assisted the ballot creation machine...
Muskegon County
Repub Dem total 2016 pres 46.26% 36,127 47.77% 37,304 4.07% 3,182 1.23% 964 0.65% 511 -1.51% -1,177 78,088 2018 us senate 44.8% 30,831 52.3% 35,957 66,788 2020 pres 48.82% 45,133 49.37% 45,643 1.32% 1,219 0.48% 449 0.55% 510 92,444 2020 us senate 49.0% 44,637 48.5% 44,192 88,829
Note that you can vote "straight ticket" in Michigan.
if it were done by Republicans it wouldn’t just be in the news, people would already be rounded up and jailed.
maybe we need to start reading up on citizens arrest, because our leaders don’t seem to care to stop the wrongs going on.
As for counting, it can easily be done with typically-sized precincts and a handful of people in every one. It only gets unmanageably large when you have these clearing-house setups.
As I only addressed the one point about the complexity of hand-counting, I should note that I agree with this line of comment.
I bet 200 years ago they didn’t have over 150 million people in 50 states all voting on the same day.
What if you have multiple races per ballot in Florida’s recent election over 10 races per ballot were voted on in a race with 7.5 million votes cast , meaning a minimum of 75 million line items to count
As you might note, I responded to that as being the real issue. It still isn’t 75 million line items in a reasonably sized precinct, and it isn’t nearly as complex if all the ballots in a precinct are the same.
You have a row of teams where each cluster counts one race, noting the votes for each candidate, and passes the ballot to the next table when the previous counts their race.
Or: the table passes each ballot through for a given race, then passes the ballots through and counts the next race.
This isn’t a new problem, and it isn’t really all that time-consuming, unless no one is interested in counting the ballots. Moderately-sized towns do the entire ballot-counting for all of their precincts in a couple of hours, including a cross-check recount.
It’s the clearing-house centers that make things so complicated.
OK. You’re a serious person with a program. Good to know there are some here.
Bttt.
5.56mm
It’s not 75 million in one precinct but 75 million or more in the entire state of Florida, counting that many items IMO will not reduce any potential problems, humans doing mundane takes like counting votes over and over are prone to mistakes, it’s simple human nature.
Machines are not perfect, but neither are humans especially given other issues in the voting process are much more important.
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