Posted on 01/17/2009 1:52:28 PM PST by JoeProBono
As for work connections or other events, no, well sort of. Some miliatary friends used to have to watch the air traffic radar and some unsual sightings occured. When sr’s went through, they were told to ignore, but other events occured from time to time.
There have been tons of reports to that effect from such radar operators.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Of course, as I’ve said, no amount of confirmation of even radar contacts will influence the dyed-in-the-wool naysayers hereon.
They really will need to have a UFO land in their laps and castrate them before they alter their world view . . . wellll . . . almost anyway! LOL.
There’s been mention of biospheres and deadly contamination etc.
I have some further thoughts on it.
I think the absolutely horrific and “certain” consequences of two vastily distant biospheres being deadly to us includes a lot of assumptions that may well not apply:
There are some assumptions about the 2 distant biospheres things that might not at all apply, however.
1. That God would not prevent such horrific contaminations any number of ways He has options to do.
2. That some technologically advanced critters would not be aware of such and know how to prevent it.
3. That the differences are sooooooooooooo huge as to be totally devastating . . . when they might not be THAT huge.
4. That the differences are such that the invading OTHER stuff would automatically put our stuff at a horrific compromised and deadly disadvantage vs the other way around.
I believe Dr Greer has been co-opted far too much by the ET perspective and has swallowed some of the gahgah about our 'space brother saviors' scenarios etc. etc. etc. and as such is, no doubt, much more in the camp of supporting the global government . . . and indirectly the Anti-Christ. That's sad to me. He had a much more objective start, imho.
However, he's still ferreted out a lot of interesting information worth some prayerful pondering.
http://www.cseti.org/position/greer/comp.htm
ana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">CSETI COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT
OF THE UFO/ETI PHENOMENON
By Steven M. Greer, M.D.
A comprehensive analysis of the UFO phenomenon, as well as original research and experiences of members of the CSETI CE-5 Initiative Working Group, has enabled us to make some specific conclusions about UFOs, Extraterrestrial Intelligence and their motives. The summation of this analysis, which follows, is intended to assist both groups and individuals in their efforts to understand this complex subject. We have recorded only those conclusions for which we have a high level of certainty.
GENERAL CONCLUSIONS
Some UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecraft (ETS) which are piloted by extraterrestrial biological entities (EBEs) who originate on another planet, and most likely another star system.
More than one extraterrestrial civilization is represented in the current activities involving Earth.
These extraterrestrial civilizations are working in concert and not competitively, although there is some specialization in function and activities for the various groups. This indicates that there exists either an emerging or well established organization for these groups.
These beings have bases within this solar system and may maintain temporary bases on Earth, particularly under water.
While various reports and speculations exist, we cannot at this time definitely state which planets or star systems are the home systems for these beings. Any specific information on this subject is very likely to be incorrect due to the security considerations of these beings. That is, given human tendencies towards war, aggression and violence, open disclosure of their planets of origin would put these planets at potential risk should human military interests unravel the energy and propulsion technology of their craft.
The variety in sizes and shapes of ETs observed is due to:
a) varying civilizations of origin, and more importantly,
b) specialization of function, which include general reconnaissance, medical research, central command and base operations, energy generation and transfer, and human technology, military and space program research and reconnaissance.
Sudden and fully open contact with human civilization has been avoided because of a number of interrelated factors, including:
a) the need to avoid an untimely disruption of Earth civilization including military, political, geopolitical, cultural, economic, technological and religious upheaval;
b) risks to their own civilization and 'people', as well as overall mission, given human xenophobia and tendencies towards violent armed reactions.
c) up to this time, such massive and open contact has not been necessary, and has not been consonant with their overall long-term mission and purpose (see below "The Question of Intent"), since their purpose is not acquisition oriented or disruptive.
A plan is in place to allow for gradually broader and deeper contact with human society and individuals so that humans may become accustomed to the reality of other intelligent beings in the universe, and so that needed research and observation may take place on both sides. Limited but increasing opportunities for bilateral and human initiated contact will occur in the reasonably near future.
Sudden and large scale contact will occur only in the event of a significant world-wide emergency (man-made or natural).
While ETI observation and interaction with Earth is probably an ancient as opposed to purely modern phenomenon, the marked increase in activity coinciding with World War II and the dawning of the 'nuclear age' indicates that ETI are quite concerned about this transitional stage of human social evolution. They are particularly concerned about human nuclear weapons and technology and their potential for world-wide destruction, and possibly for their potential threat to ETI, although this is nominal. These beings are further concerned with our peaceful transition to a world society, international peace, and the establishment of a just, effective and representative world government, expected to occur within 10 to 15 years or less.
ETI technology is strictly guarded by both ETI and human governmental agencies because of its potential for military applications which would greatly threaten world security. It is imperative that this technology not found significant human applications until such time as the Earth attains international peace and an effective world government.
The US government, at least at the level of a highly compartmentalized above top secret group, has known about the reality of these ETS and their occupants since at least 1947. A strict secrecy and a world-wide cover-up of these facts have been maintained due to:
a) fear of public panic and social disruption
b) security issues surrounding possible military and technology applications of ETI technology, especially in the setting of a world beset with Cold War tensions and competing interests. c) uncertainty and mistrust regarding ETI motives and ultimate intentions.
d) embarrassment and consternation over human military inability to secure world air space from repeated penetrations by ETS
e) embarrassment and loss of face resulting from disclosures concerning how this matter has been handled, such as the harassment and ridicule of innocent civilians and military personnel, the withholding of information from the public and Congress, etc.
The US government possesses several ETS and the deceased bodies of several EBEs. While there is evidence to strongly suggest that these agencies are attempting to reverse-engineer these craft, such efforts have not been functionally successful, although a number of secondary and partial 'discoveries' have resulted from this research.
The nature or 'reality' of these craft and these beings has been incorrectly characterized by some as belonging to 'another dimension or reality' from this dimension. Unfortunately, these statements are made without fully considering what 'this reality' is. A more correct understanding of this is that the Full Spectrum of Reality is a singular, integrated one which may be perceived wholly or in its various aspects, such perception being entirely dependent on the level of consciousness of the perceiver. The various aspects or 'dimensions' of this reality, which are limitless in number, are not restricted to or by time and space as we know it commonly. These beings and their craft belong to the same Reality as humans, however their advancement in the realms of physical science and the science of consciousness has given them competence in a broader aspect of the Full Spectrum of Reality than is usually experienced by humans. The difference, then, is one of degree and not fundamental reality, since humans potentially have access to all aspects of the Full Spectrum of Reality just as extraterrestrial beings do. These differences are not insurmountable, nor are they truly fundamental; in fact they are relative and only temporary. While these beings are utilizing and experiencing a broader aspect of the Full Spectrum of Reality, so too can and will humans, for we are as 'inter-dimensional' by nature as they...
ETS energy and 'propulsion'(or space transfer) systems utilize principles and laws of the physical universe not yet fully appreciated by human science, and include:
a) gravity/anti-gravity and electromagnetic/gravity technology b) space energy and so-called hyperdimensional energy systems
c) matter-energy inter-changeable technologies
d) possible Consciousness Assisted Technology(CAT) and Technology Assisted Consciousness(TAC)
Some if not all EBEs have advanced mental capabilities which include telepathy, precognition, remote viewing and others, indicating that they have developed the 'science of consciousness' to a degree which parallels or surpasses their advanced physical technologies. Humans also possess these capabilities, but these remain largely undeveloped by most humans.
EBEs are more developed or advanced than humans in a number of respects, but are not superior to humans as beings. Our point of unity and equality with EBEs is in our mutual existence as conscious intelligent beings.
While these various EBEs may have values and priorities which are different from those of some 20th century humans, their motives and ultimate intentions are non-hostile and do not include the acquisition or subjugation of the Earth or its peoples (see below, "The Question of Intent").
The establishing of a lasting world peace and a just and effective world government is essential to the long term ETI-human relationship.
THE QUESTION OF INTENT
While not minimizing the strange and startling aspects of this phenomenon which some humans have experienced, our assessment of these visitors' motives and ultimate intentions, is that they are decidedly non-hostile. Their primary operations and activities center around:
General reconnaissance of Earth and her societies
Military(especially nuclear) observation and assessment
Human social and psychological study and observation
Human medical, physiological and genetic research and observation
Observation and assessment of human mental and spiritual development
Earth ecology research and documentation, including documentation of Earth life systems, and mineral, plant, and animal specimens
Observation of human technology and technological developments
Observation, active monitoring and if necessary limitation of human space programs, particularly those directed towards the nationalistic colonization of space
Close and active monitoring of international conflicts and international relations
Careful interaction with humans to convey certain information about themselves and to accustom humans to their presence
Our assessment is that these activities are derived from several ultimate motives, which include:
Pure study and research of a rapidly developing intelligent species(human) during a time of transition to a world community
A needed increase in ETI knowledge of world societies and human nature preparatory to future significant interaction, which will be mutual in nature, and which will eventually culminate in the introduction of Earth civilization into an inter-planetary network(this may require several centuries to complete)
Preparatory activities for continued readiness in the event that intervention is required during a major world emergency, such as a large scale nuclear war; such interventions would be in the protective form of -
a) interception and destruction of Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs)
b) alteration of missile coordinates and readiness
c) emergency Earth based activities when and where warranted
The minimum intervention necessary would be used, with the intention being the preservation of Earth as an inhabitable planet with adequate human resources remaining to sustain intelligent life here.
Emergency intervention in the event of an environmental or geological catastrophe of world wide dimensions
Preservation of Earth species, including human genetic preservation and/or augmentation as a precaution in the event of a worst case scenario (see above).
Protection of space from hostile or military utilization by human national interests.
ETI self-protective interests, insofar as humans have a strong recent history of coupling marked aggressiveness with rapid technological development; in this setting, monitoring and perhaps even limiting human capabilities may be important to ETI security - Human evolution to world peace, non-aggression and a world government would remove this motive as well as several of the motives listed above
ETI short and long time goals related to the attainment of a significant human paradigm shift from one of fragmentation/separation to one of unity, to include the unity of science and religion, world political and eventual spiritual unity, and universal unity. This paradigm shift is dependent on the development of human consciousness, which is of particular interest to ETI.
The preservation and advancement of intelligent life in the universe.
© Copyright 1991 STEVEN M. GREER, M.D.
Greer is sure sold out to the global government.
And he has sure bought the lie that all the critters are wonderful . . . savior types.
sheesh.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/firstpage.htm
I think it's well worth watching.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo411.htm
Background Information / Description:
Below is an English translation of a witness interview as well as a short description of this photographic case from Poland. The series of photographs and the following information has been provided by Mr. Wojciech Bobilewicz of the Nautilus Foundation in Warsaw, Poland, the research group which is investigating this case.
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The object immobilized two cars, and was moving extremely swiftly and without noise. What is most important – it has been observed with a naked eye!
It is Sunday, January 8, 2006. Two men are returning from a wedding party. Both ask for their anonymity to be preserved, so we shall only use their first names – Maciej (Matthew), 65, is driving, and Zbyszek, 60, sits in the passenger seat. The atmosphere in the car is merry, the passenger is actually still very tipsy. And – an important factor in the whole story – he has a still camera, quite good at that: an Olympus.
He was using the camera to photograph dancing couples but on this day it will turn out that having it enabled him to take one of the best UFO photographs in the world. They drive towards a town called Terespol, or – to be more precise – towards a smaller town called dzyrzec Podlaski.
It is approx. 12:30 when their navy-blue Polonez car approaches the so-called “black spot”, so called because for many years there have been many tragic road accidents happening in this exact place (this detail may turn out to be of great importance). The “spot” is situated at the international European route E30, 10 kilometres behind the city of Siedlce as one drives towards Terespol, approximately where the villages of Zdany and Zbuczyn Poduchowny are located.
Seeing the “black spot”, they slow down, but suddenly, less than a hundred yards away, they see… something big, metallic and shiny flying across the road! Matthew, who is driving the car, is convinced that some kids are making fun of drivers by… throwing a huge bowl. A moment later the car’s engine stops.
There is, however, another detail that must not escape our attention. Another car is running behind with Russian registration plates, a passenger minibus. And its engine stops at exactly the same moment! Both drivers step out of their cars, open the hood and try to start their engines.
Zbyszek, the passenger, also steps out of the car. He is holding a camera – it’s a perfect opportunity! In the cloudless sky a condensation trail of a jet plane is clearly visible. Without much thinking, he starts taking pictures, but he suddenly notices something strange slowly moving over the fields. The object is big, about two metres in diameter, and it reminds two bowls welded together at the edges! It is metallic – sunlight is reflected from its surface. No engine can be heard, there is no fumes or smoke, but… a very strong wind starts blowing in gusts! It is also of importance, as there was no wind so strong on that day.
Zbyszek starts making pictures of the unidentified object. At one point the UFO starts a swift ascent and instantly flies away. All in all, the “two bowls” were moving around the two cars for almost 8 minutes!
When the object disappears – the engines of both cars start with no problems.
This article should only be treated as a prelude to the whole affair. There is still a lot of work for us to do, we are completing the materials but even now we can say the most important thing: this story happened for real!
Here is an excerpt from a conversation that we had on February 19, 2006 with Maciej (Matthew), the car’s driver.
(NAUTILUS Foundation)
So you were driving back from a wedding party?
(Maciej T): I was driving my acquaintance back home. And God knows. Something flew over me. I thought that maybe some squirts threw something over the car. You know? The car stalled, there was some Russian guy driving behind me – he also stopped with this bus.
I have no idea. I got out and there is nothing around! I look to the other side – there was something. I don’t know, I was just looking at a plane… and I won’t tell you what it was. I am a mechanic, I look around and check and everything is fine with the car. What the heck, there is no power, no lights, no nothing…
He had some camera, I don’t have a clue. And he says, come on, I’m going to take some pictures of you. Take them, why not! And I was running around the car with a screwdriver. And I got scared, too, because there is this black spot over there where many people died in accidents…
(FN):
What did the object look like?
(MT): God knows what it was! How shall I know? Got no clue… What I know is that the car stalled and the Russian bus behind me also got stopped. The Russian guy got out of the bus and was running around…
(FN): So his car went out of power too?
(MT): Yep, it stalled too. We were both standing. Maybe half an hour we were walking around. I had a look at the engine. There was no power at all. After all, I am a mechanic so I know if an engine can stop abruptly or not.
Some half an hour, I don’t know, maybe it was half an hour, I turned the ignition key and the car started. I got goose bumps, I say ‘I‘m getting out of here, there are so many crosses here and lights, I don’t know what’s going on in here.’… People drive scared in this place. I have no clue, that’s all.
(FN): And your friend, did he…
(MZ): The other guy says he absolutely doesn’t agree to any stuff. And I says: ‘well I can tell you what the thing I saw was, but I am not knowledgeable about these things…
(FN): We are so nice and friendly that if he could spare five minutes for us…
(MZ): I see your point but he doesn’t want, simply doesn’t want. As for me… I don’t care. I was driving and I know, I saw this thing. What it was – I have no clue.
(FN): OK, but what did you think about this object when you saw it?
(MZ): When I was looking I thought that some punks must have thrown some bowl at me from a ditch, over the car, it flew sort of in front of the car. I says ‘damn it, they don’t have better things to do…’
I jumped out and I says ‘I’m gonna kick your asses’ but there is no-one around… And the Russian stopped behind me… Other cars didn’t stop. So I look what is wrong with the car but everything is fine. And the car started by itself. I have no idea what it was…
(FN): Did you have a close look at the object?
(MZ): I only saw it once up in the sky and it was against the sun and I cannot see very well against the sun cos my eyes are damaged from welding. How shall I say, it’s as if it was nickeled, twisted sheet metal…
(FN): But what did you feel then, can you describe that moment?
(MZ): I got scared! Cos there are crosses and lights every five meters there. ‘Dammit”, I says, ‘people get killed here, so I need to fix this scrap and drive away from this place.’ I was scared…
(FN): Did you really think somebody was throwing a bowl?
(MZ) When I saw it, I says ‘did they throw something at me or what.’ Is there anybody really disturbing drivers? Some guy will not be careful and will hit another… but there was nobody there. No living soul. Only the gusts of wind blowing. It didn’t blow initially. At least I couldn’t feel it in the car. I got out of the car. And the other guy is still tipsy after the wedding so he keeps laughing at me...
(FN): So how many of you were in the car?
(MZ): Two!
(FN): Have you ever seen anything like that object?
(MZ): Me, I saw something like that for the first time in my life. I’m saying, I got scared myself cos there is this black spot there… ‘God knows,’ I says, ‘what’s going on here.’ Every bit of the road there is a cross with a light and here is my wheezing car refusing to go. What happened???
The Russian keeps running round his car and gets under it. I ask him what happened. ‘Nichevo,’ [= nothing] ‘I don’t know.’ So I didn’t know either…
(FN): Did the Russian driver see the object hovering around your cars?
(MZ): Well I don’t know if he saw it or not, as I approached him later. He was throwing his cap in desperation, running around the car… So was I. How was I supposed to know what happened? The guy keeps shouting at me, saying he’s cold, he wants to go home, but I says ‘look what happened?’ And there was a plane flying, there was a trail in the sky. It was sunny. And wind started.
When I was driving the car it was not gusting. And I have been a driver for so many years… so I would feel the wind! Bare field… I got scared, so many people died here! God knows… they say all sort of rubbish about strange things happening here.
(FN): Coming back to your car: do you know what may have caused your engine to stop?
(MZ): Well about power I know for sure cos there was nothing working in this car, and it’s unlikely that the battery can charge itself within 20 minutes or half an hour. I’ve been a mechanic for 30 years so I know these things!
(FN): Were you looking for some fault in the engine as you were standing in the road?
(MZ): I was going around, looking everywhere!
(FN): Didn’t you think that the object was something exceptional?
(MZ): But I saw something like that first time in my life! This moron keeps laughing at me cos he was a bit tight, so I says ‘take a photo!’ ‘Stop, I will take a photo of you!’ ‘So take it!’ ‘But do you see this thing?’ ‘Yes, I can see it!’ ‘Over there, against the sun…’
(FN): But didn’t you think that this whole affair with the object was something really rare?
(MZ) I’m telling you, I didn’t pay much attention to it! It is only when I saw these crosses, I remembered what place I’ve found myself in…
(FN): Why only four pictures of this object? Why so few?
(MZ): Before he set up the camera I was at the car, tinkering with it, and he was shooting me there… And how this thing was flying there… He saw it later, cos I says: ‘dammit, I don’t care. I will fix the car and let’s get outa here so that nobody hits me.’
And he was running around on the fields and taking pictures of this thing!
Here are the parameters of the pictures:
- width: 2048 pixels
- height: 1536 pixels
- horizontal resolution: 72 dpi
- vertical resolution: 72 dpi
- depth in bits: 24
- number of frames: 1
- camera make: OLYMPUS Corporation
- Model: X100, D540Z, C310Z
- graphic software: v775u-78
- color matrix/pattern: sRGB
- flash mode: -
- focal length: 6 mm
- F number: F/4.1
- shutter speed: 1/1250 s
- ISO speed: 50
- metering mode: pattern
- light source: unknown
- exposure program: unknown
- EV compensation: 0 step
- date: 2006-01-08 12.34
“It simply defies description!”
INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT BERNATOWICZ (RB)
Interviewer: ukasz Bartecki B)
B: In percentage, what are your bets that the photos are real?
RB: 100%. Having heard a conversation with the witness I got rid of any illusions. A man such as Maciej (Matthew) is not capable of lying, such “acting” is out of the question. He saw something which stopped two cars, was hovering around the place and had a shape of two bowls connected at the edges. It sounds like an X-Files-type of movie scenario, but it really happened.
B: What is so mind boggling about these pictures?
RB: Everything. We received phone calls saying that “if they are real, the world has not yet seen anything like that”! I think there is a lot of truth to that statement…
B: What is most shocking?
RB: I will tell you what shocked me the most.
Firstly, I need to mention credibility of the witness, his good nature when he was telling me about – let me quote – “this thing hovering around the car.” But from among the four pictures there is one exceptionally phenomenal, the one showing how the whole horizon is reflected from the object’s surface… And everything fits in place, down to the minute detail! One can see a tree, a standing car, even the fact that it’s hood is opened… I have never seen anything like that! I keep receiving a lot of material from the world, from the US, but I have not seen anything like that. It simply defies description!
B:
What is the greatest difficulty in the research of this case?
RB: Yes, there is a problem. The problem are the participants of this event. The driver, Maciej (Matthew), has finally agreed to meet us after many weeks’ convincing. Of course he was begging us not to disclose his surname because… he was afraid of the reaction of his environment, people around him.
The author of the photos is a certain kind of personality; by the way I met him on numerous occasions as I was doing my journalist work. He is simply utterly disinterested in the whole thing and there is absolutely no way he will meet to discuss it.
The fact that he has made some of the best UFO pictures in the world has zero value to him. That’s the kind of a person he is.
Don’t you think that it only gives credence to the whole story?
RB: It’s obvious. If we encounter a pushy person who has made some strange photos and with no sensitivity, with full boorishness he shows these pics to anyone at hand – we must treat such a man with, say, some distance. Unfortunately we do have a record of such cases, sometimes they border with some mental disease.
Here, the situation is entirely opposite – the author of the photographs wants to be left alone.
RB: How do you evaluate those events?
RB: Using boxing terminology I would say that it was a “full contact fight”! First we have this object flying over a road, then engines stop in two cars, and then an unidentified object is doing a show in the sky. I don’t know if anything like that… it’s really a unique story.
RB: Do you think that the “black spot” is of any significance?
RB: Certainly. We have only begun collecting data and facts concerning this issue. But even now we know that some very mysterious things have been happening here. And I do not only mean road accidents and the number of people killed. An example? Last year in the summer a woman was driving out of a side road exactly in that spot. And suddenly she lost her field of vision! The road signs all became blurred. She could see nothing!
She found herself on the road, the main one, and she claims she lost a number of minutes from her life. She was only very lucky that there was no car approaching!
B: Those lost minutes… can it have any connection to UFOs? It sounds sort of familiar…
RB: It may be exactly as you’re saying, I am not excluding such a possibility. There are strange things happening there, and it’s a straight road! It is really hard to find an explanation as to why accidents abound exactly there.
They are real tragedies… In July last year three people got killed there – a married couple from Warsaw and a citizen of Belarus. In a straight road, in broad daylight, at noon. They crash, everybody dies. It is really unusual but the locals say that it is precisely there, at the “black spot”, that people lose consciousness for a while.
B: How about all that… can it be connected with this UFO object?
RB: There are two, or even three, possibilities. The first one: there is no connection at all. The second one: this place has some sort of energy which makes people lose their consciousness and therefore get killed in accidents. The third possibility is that object like that one deprive people of consciousness. But I would think the last one is the least credible.
B: And which one do you think is the most credible?
RB: In this spot, or in its immediate vicinity, there is “something” that influences drivers’ behaviour. It is probably this fact that interested our mysterious object which decided to immobilize both vehicles and have a closer look at them…
B: Do you think they were observing events around the cars?
RB: I have no doubts about it. I’ll tell you more: I have a feeling that on that particular day at 12:30 something happened which the participants in this “mysterious engine failure” do not remember. Quite a lot of time had passed, or rather this “something” had quite a lot of time…
B: Don’t you think it may be some military technology?
RB: I think that this whole talk about military technologies is rubbish… I am a journalist and recently I have had many occasions for having a closer look at military technology… it’s no use talking about it. This object, its capability for immobilizing vehicles, they way it moved – all this excludes our earthly technology. And there was this wind…
B: Exactly! Don’t you think that those gusts of wind are interesting?
RB: Yes, the wind was blowing very strongly exactly at the time the object was hovering in proximity of the cars! This wind is very suspicious… we shall have a closer look at it.
B: And how about the fact that other cars were going with no problem… Isn’t it astonishing?
RB: Of course. Note that there was no electric power at all in both vehicles. As the witness is saying, “no single light was switching on, zero!” This would mean that only the two vehicles were encompassed by a force filed that made them immobilized. There was regular traffic in the road all the time… I have certain hypotheses, but I wouldn’t like to…
B: What do you mean?
RB: Well, you know, it’s only a hypothesis, but I suspect that there was something huge hanging over the cars… This tiny little thing that we called “Two Bowls” in our project was only a little probe, part of something bigger. But let me stress that it is only a suspicion…
B: If this was the case, then… what happened on January 8 on the E30 road?!
RB: I can see that for some time you have been asking increasingly interesting questions…
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Further comments by Mr. Wojciech Bobilewicz (Nautilus Foundation) from correspondence with UFO Evidence:
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I am taking the liberty of attaching an English translation of a witness interview as well as a short description of one such recent Polish case (the translation is rough at times due to the fact that the interviewee speaks a very specific kind of language) together with the pictures...
I hope you will find this case interesting and noteworthy."
"Regarding finding out about the case: the president of our Foundation, Mr Robert Bernatowicz, has read about the case in one of Polish tabloids. The newspaper was making a laughing stock out of it and Mr Bernatowicz went to the village to check the facts. Upon researching the case he found out that with almost absolute certainty it was a genuine close encounter case."
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About the Nautilus Foundation:
The Nautilus Foundation was established in 2001 by Mr. Robert Bernatowicz, a radio and TV journalist after the first crop circles were discovered in Wylatowo in northwestern part of Poland.
Source / Credit: Nautilus Foundation, Poland
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More good shots:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo358.htm
September 7, 2004 - Zion National Park, Utah, USA
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo353.htm
Beginning of 1998 - Karagol near Izmir, Turkey
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo20.htm
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo158.htm
According to the phototaker, he was repairing a fence on his property when his dog started barking loudly. Going over to where his dog was he looked up to see a low-flying capsule-shape UFO hovering and moving slowly over one of his cow pastures. The UFO captured in each of the photos resembles the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo space capsules that the United States launched in the early years of its space program. Black to dark green, the cone-shaped capsule, when blown-up, shows a black teflon-like covered bottom and a flange or rim that goes around near the top of the unknown object. In each photo the UFO is shown at a slightly different position and elevation, making it more difficult to hoax, according to researchers who have examined the photographs.
The photos and a copy of the letter were aired publicly for the first time on TV-33 in Lagrange, Georgia on 26 September 1996. On the “Heston & Steve” show, the two hosts, Heston Yates and Steve Smoots, along with John C. Thompson and Jimmy Smith, field investigators for the International Society for Ufo Research (ISUR), speculated about whether the UFO photos are real. All of them agreed that if the photos were part of a hoax, it was a most strange and clever one. Mr. Thompson said on the program that he was “most favorably impressed by the photos.” He also has stated since then that he has two witnesses who saw similar shaped UFOs in May and July in the LaGrange area which is only 20 miles from Valley. Another witness that he has located, says he and others saw the exact craft, incredibly, 25 years earlier in Atlanta. Mr. Smith, a long-time investigator and actual sightee of UFOs, said the photos appeared genuine. He also said that he himself, in 1971, had seen a UFO with a likeness of what the photos depict. He then went on to relate that the 1971 UFO had cut off power to his pickup while he observed it.
The photos, along with a copy of the letter from the alleged phototaker, have now been sent to Jeff Sainio, a photography expert who specializes in analyzing UFO video and photos. Mr. Sainio, who often does photo analysis for the popular TV Sightings program, will determine if the photos really show a UFO. In the meantime, it is hoped that the person who took these amazing photos will step forward and allow access to the negatives that the photos were made from. All persons involved in investigating the photos are assuring the phototaker over TV and radio that if he wishes, his anonymity will be kept.
February 16, 1994 - Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo377.htm
March 10, 1993 - Maslin Beach, Australia
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo420.htm
Mr Thomason’s first picture of the object coming out of the water. The three legs could be seen together with several portholes.
The main object has turned its bottom to the photographer and a second object has appeared a little farther away.
Both of the objects in a slightly different position.
The main object with the second object slightly under a bit farther away.
Close-up of object from the first photo.
Maslin Beach. An arrow points to the place were Mr Thomason was standing during the observation.
Background Information / Description:
The 1993 Maslin Beach photo case
When Eric Thomason in Maslin Beach, Australia, looked out across the ocean, he saw - to his great surprise - how an object rose from the waves and started flying towards him. When the object came nearer, Eric took out his camera and started taking photographs.
- “I could feel water dripping from the craft”, he tells UFO-Aktuellt.
By Clas Svahn
Translation by Stefan Isaksson
The photographs are quite sensational, and there are really just two alternatives: either Eric Thomason’s photographs are the most astounding so far, or it’s just a simple hoax.
Eric Thomason, 69, is a senior citizen living in Maslin Beach in southern Australia. Not far from his house is an old abandoned mine, Maslin Old Quarry, where he sometimes takes his dog for a walk.
In March 1993, Eric decided to try to document the old mine using his son’s camera, a Kodak S50 with a Fuji 100 ASA-film. Despite having never owned a camera of his own and having virtually no experiencing photographing, Eric set off in order to try to capture the beautiful colors of the open-cast mine from as many angles as possible. And, s photo contest in the magazine “Southern Times-Messenger” about the best image of a sunrise over land also helped him in his decision. He thought he would be able to capture the sunrise on film from Ochre Point, a cliff 60 meters high from where hang-gliders used to take off - but the sun was hidden behind a dense layer of clouds.
The Sun was Hidden
Wednesday, March 10, didn’t appear to be much better. It was a cool morning, only 14 degrees Celsius, and a stubborn wind came from the west. From the top of the grassy cliff, Eric was forced to accept that there wasn’t going to be a sunrise that morning either. A persistent layer of clouds blocked out the sun, and the time was 06:00 AM when Eric instead turned to face the ocean to the west.
- “It was then that I saw a movement on the surface on the water, and something looking like the tower on an atomic submarine emerged, Eric tells UFO-Sweden. When the object rose from the water I was able to see how three legs were pointing out from the hull. I was also able to see how it was spinning, and how the three legs were pulled in.”
Before the legs were pulled in, Eric managed to take his first photograph of the object, and he estimates the distance to the object at the time being about 400 meters. It then dawned on him how exposed his position was. Standing on top of the Ochre Point with the sun right behind him made him an easy target to spot for a possible crew.
- “I had heard of people being abducted by UFOs, so I climbed down a slope nearby. From there I could see how the light-grey object came flying somewhat south of me, and came to a halt over the mine. At that very moment I spotted yet another object, north of the first one. That’s when I snapped my second picture, but since the light from the sunrise was straight into my view-finder I moved a little to the left.”
While taking photographs from his hideout five meters below the top of the cliff, the new object moved towards the larger one, came to a halt, and then continued upwards, into a deepening in the larger object.
- “I could see three lights on the exterior of the larger object and how it shone around the opening. Shortly after I’d taken the fourth and last photograph the larger object rose straight up and disappeared over me. When that happened, I could feel water dripping from the craft down on me.”
In a report form to the Australian UFO-group Australian Flying Saucer Research Society, Eric estimates the size of the object to be 40 meters, and the distance (when he first saw it rise from the ocean) to be 2 kilometres. While talking to him on the phone, Eric tells me how it never got closer to him than 400 metres.
When the incident was over, Eric returned home. However, despite his amazing encounter he decided to remain quiet about it, even to his wife. He first wanted to have the film developed in order to find out if there indeed were any photographs of it. But he was not in a hurry. Before he handed in the film for development he made sure to use up the entire film. And not until May, 1994, when he had watched a UFO show on TV, did he bring forward the photographs.
- “At first he didn’t tell me anything since I wasn’t feeling well at the time, and later he believed that the photographs weren’t going to show anything”, Mrs. Thomason says when UFO-Sweden talks to her. “But after he had had the film developed he showed them to me. I’m certain it’s a spaceship. Eric is not the lying type, and I believe him.”
Quick Stroll
Still, there are several details in his story that are worth pondering. Eric Thomason set his alarm clock to 05:45 in order to catch the sunrise, which took place around 06:00. During these 15 minutes, Mr. Thomason had time to get out of bed, put on several layers of warm clothing, bring his camera, fetch the dog at the back of the house, walk to Ochre Point (which according to Mrs. Thomason takes 5 minutes), climb the 60 meters tall cliff, wait for the failed sunrise, and then walk on to another site close by in order to look out over the ocean. At 06:00 sharp he took his first photograph of the object. The bright blue sky on the first photograph suggests the images were taken later in the day.
In a letter, Eric describes what happened when the photographs were returned from the photo lab: “When the film had been developed I noticed yet another object on the first photograph, which I hadn’t seen during the incident itself. A black dot in the distance, halfway between the object and the edge of the photograph, which might have been an airplane several kilometres away, or the smaller object on its way to intercept with the larger one.”
Cheap Camera
According to Eric, the negatives were analyzed by Kodak in Adelaide, but he doesn’t know anything about the results.
- The negatives were sent in by Mark Tarrot, a “UFO-fanatic”. He knows what the results were.
The camera Eric used was a cheap Kodak S50, purchased in a department store for 40 USD. The S50 uses normal 35 mm film, and has never been available on the Swedish market. Its focus is set, and cannot be changed. There are, on the whole, no buttons to push except the shutter release. Cameras of this type are always set on infinitude, and have a large depth of field. And here’s where an uncertainty becomes apparent. If you look at the first photograph the object, which supposedly is 400 metres away, is in focus while the horizon is fuzzy. As a matter of fact, both the object and the horizon should be in focus.
That aside, the images agree with Eric’s story, and during our entire conversation he answers all my questions correct, even when I try to trap him.
Mr. Thomason’s photographs have caused a lot of attention worldwide, and have even ended up in an American UFO almanac.
- “There have been so many people calling, that I’m now starting to get sick of it”, Eric says while mentioning how he is very critical to other UFO photographs. “But I’ve begun looking for them in the evenings while out walking the dog. I know there are UFOs from different planets in the universe. But so far I’ve only seen meteorites.”
Finally I ask Erik Thomason the most important question of them all: Are the photographs really genuine? Do they really depict the object you said emerged from the ocean?
- “Yes, absolutely, he says briefly and adds, OK?”
Source / Credit: Claus Svahn, UFO Sweden
MORE BEST PHOTO LINKS:
An interesting fiery color bottom of one in Mexico June 1992:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo66.htm
Military jet in same frame as largish UFO in Puerto Rico
May 9 1988
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo145.htm
ARgentina:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo360.htm
September 4, 1971 - Lago de Cote, Costa Rica
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo303.htm
Background Information / Description:
The photo above (cropped and enlarged) was taken by a Costa Rican government mapping plane during an aerial mapping mission. This UFO photograph is unique for several reasons. 1) The photograph was taken by a high-quality, professional camera. 2) The unidentified object is plainly visible against the uniformly dark background of the lake and appears in sharp focus. 3) The camera was aimed downward and the plane was flying at a known, fixed altitude (10,000 feet), which makes it easy to calculate a maximum size for the object (683 feet).
The plane carried a crew of four; a specialist in aerial photography, a geographer, a topographer, and the pilot. No member of the crew stated that they saw anything unusual during the routine flight.
Much analysis has been undertaken using the original negative, most notably by Dr. Richard F. Haines and Dr. Jacques F. Vallee. It seems safe to assume that it is not a double-exposure or the result of manipulation of the negative. All indications are that this is a photo of a large three-dimensional disk , or shallow cone, [hovering?] above, and possibly partially submerged in Lago de Cote.
There were apparently no witnesses to the disk’s presence at the time of the photograph, but other incidents at that location had been reported by local farmers, involving strange, artificial objects moving around the surface or just below the surface of the lake. (NURMUFO)
For an in-depth, scientific analysis of this photograph, see “Photo Analyses of an Aerial Disc Over Costa Rica”, by Richard Haines and Jacques Vallee, available online at:
March 12, 1967 - Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo209.htm
Background Information / Description:
(Picaco Park) Las Cruces, New Mexico- A New Mexico State University student took this photo of what he says is a UFO, while photographing land formations for a geology class. The picture was taken with a 4x5 press camera at F8 at 1/100/second. He said the object made no noise and disappeared as he looked down to change plates in the camera.
Another description from “Xenophilia.com” website:
About 2:00pm on March 12th, 1967, A New Mexico State University student was hiking in a desert area near Picacho Peak, New Mexico, when he spotted a big round silvery object hovering in the air just above a rocky hill about 500 yards away. He prepared his 4” X 5” Press Camera, set it at F8 and 1/100 shutter speed, and snapped one good black and white picture of the object. It appeared stationary or was moving very little at the time of the photograph. He looked down to change the plates of his camera, needing only 3 seconds, but when he looked back to take another shot, the object was gone. He recalled smelling an electrical odor in the air too!
Source / Credit: Bettmann
August 3, 1965 - Santa Ana, California, USA
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/topphotos/photo305.htm
[QUIX USUAL color emphasis and extra paragraphing]
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc281.htm
Formulation and Predictions of the ETH
Brian Zeiler
original sourcefair use notice
Summary: The extraterrestrial hypothesis, or ETH, is formulated consistent with the accepted scientific framework for hypothesis induction. The null hypothesis to explain UFOs is that they are random, disparate misidentifications of atmospheric or artifical terrestrial phenomena.
This is called the misidentification hypothesis. If rejected on sufficient grounds -- and due to the subjectivity we are probably facing a more Bayesian type of inference than an objective test approach -- then we accept the alternative hypothesis, which is that disk-shaped vehicles are in fact flying in our atmosphere.
The extraterrestrial hypothesis, or ETH, is formulated consistent with the accepted scientific framework for hypothesis induction.
The null hypothesis to explain UFOs is that they are random, disparate misidentifications of atmospheric or artifical terrestrial phenomena. This is called the misidentification hypothesis. If rejected on sufficient grounds -- and due to the subjectivity we are probably facing a more Bayesian type of inference than an objective test approach -- then we accept the alternative hypothesis, which is that disk-shaped vehicles are in fact flying in our atmosphere.
Note that at this point, we are not concerned with the origin, since the alternative hypothesis is simply that the objects exist without regard to the origin of the objects.
Put simply, we don't need to know the origin of the objects in order to determine their existence. In fact, nowhere in science is it necessary to establish the origin of a phenomenon prior to determining the very existence of the phenomenon.
Yet skeptics contend that the objects cannot exist due to interstellar travel considerations, which is fallacious on two counts: first, for blending the two hypotheses into one by using the possible origin to debunk the very existence, and second, for establishing a rigid a priori probability of nearly zero for interstellar travel despite a lack of sufficient information to make such a determination.
After rejecting the null in favor of the alternative, which is that the objects exist, a rank-order series of hypotheses are formulated to hypothesize the origin of the objects. When guessing the origin, we see three elements that are observed in the majority of radar-visual cases:
Physical substance
Intelligent control
Propulsion technology beyond human grasp
This is why radar-visual cases are so unique in their evidential value. Those three conditions are necessary and sufficient conditions to defend inducing the ETH; the question is the degree of corroboration for each of the conditions. When ranking possible origin hypotheses, Occam's Razor is the guiding principle here:
American or foreign government craft
Extraterrestrial craft
"Interdimensional craft"
Once one replaces the null with the alternative and looks for a hypothesis of origin, it is feasible to reject the first origin hypothtesis.
It is absurd to think these are government craft, since the so-called "conspiracy" widens by a huge magnitude: the behavior of the flights are at variance with accepted flight-test procedures (e.g. chasing civilians), and the requisite physics for the observed propulsion would require enormous leaps in 1947 in all sorts of technology that the civilian community still has not grasped 50 years later.
The second hypothesis, that they are extraterrestrial craft, is the "Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis", or ETH.
Note that this is a specialized sub-hypothesis within the broader, original "alternative hypothesis", which is simply that the "saucers" do in fact exist.
Some researchers, like Vallee, reject this and move to the third hypothesis, though that is beyond the scope of this article.
Falsifiability is a difficult area because the very approach to the subject is more subjective and inferential (hence the Bayesian approach -- see Sturrock, "Applied Scientific Inference", Journal of Scientific Exploration, vol. 8, no. 4). The very nature of the problem -- the vagueness, the lack of replicability on demand, and the elusiveness -- does not lend itself with ease to direct and irrefutable falsifiability.
However, there are certain "proxies" for falsifiability. It seems reasonable to suggest that if there are extraterrestrial vehicles buzzing through our atmosphere, the organization with the means and motive to determine this, above all other organizations, would have determined this by now.
This organization is, of course, the US military. If there are flying saucers, our military should show a high level of interest and conviction that this is the case. Indeed, they do, at both the individual level and at the organizational level, from 1947 through the present day, as revealed through Freedom of Information Act documents and summarized in our government pages.
Then there are certain other testable predictions based on the corollary that the military and intelligence would conceal this knowledge. And they have found sufficient cause to conceal it, as their early documents alluded with references to "public panic" and "policies of public information to minimize mass panic".
So, do we see signs of official secrecy? What would those signs be? One is leaks. We do, in fact, see quite a few highly compelling leaks from such scientists as Dr. Robert Sarbacher, Dr. Eric Walker, and other military and intelligence personnel on the military quotes page.
Another means of indirect falsification would be the discovery of one or more new terrestrial phenomena that are merely atmospheric in nature, but can adequately explain the body of UFO evidence, from radar-visual to ground-trace cases to machine-like disk-shaped vehicle mirages.
The very nature and structure of this phenomenon renders our typical approach somewhat impotent, and we are mostly left with a Bayesian approach that questions whether the body of evidence we do have is more consistent with the objects existing or with the objects not existing.
Looking at the aggregate body of anomalous radar-visual cases, ground trace cases, scientifically tested photos and films from the military and civilian communities, credentialed leaks, and evidence of military and intelligence duplicity, it is more likely that something is indeed going on rather than not -- no matter how falsifiable this hypothesis may be, it doesn't change the aggregate body of evidence. The evidence is far MORE CONSISTENT with the objects existing than not existing.
Our approach must accommodate the phenomenon -- not vice versa. If the phenomenon cannot accommodate our approach, there is no sense in convincing ourselves that the phenomenon must not exist. We must accommodate this elusive, sporadic, and unreplicable but nonetheless existent phenomenon by blending our approach between objective hypothesis falsification and Bayesian inference.
As for the inductive reasoning, the approach is identical in process and in validity to the Big
Bang hypothesis which also has no physical proof. Both induce a hypothesis to explain a set of observations without violating known laws of physics according to our existing body of knowledge. Both also make predictions that have been corroborated, and both explain the observations superior to any alternatives.
The misidentification hypothesis is an utter failure in both logical process and in explanatory appeal, as detailed in the page on skeptical logical trickery and as judged by the inability to explain the most challenging cases, but the ETH is scientifically valid and superior to the alternative.
The problem with the misidentification hypothesis is that the cases it fails to explain, according to USAF's Project Bluebook Special Report #14, happen to be the types of cases that the best observers were most likely to report and that do not suffer from insufficient information, but rather appear to be from a wholly different distribution than the the eventually identified UFO reports, based on a chi square analysis.
The misidentification hypothesis has a gaping flaw in its ability to explain the observations, and the ETH is a scientifically valid hypothesis that is the simplest available to explain globally repeating, highly reliable observations by eminently qualified observers of solid objects under intelligent control with propulsion technology irreproducible by [KNOWN] human knowledge.
All possible predictions of the ETH have been corroborated, and the inductive process is every bit as valid as the process that led to the Big Bang hypothesis.
Illogical skeptics will complain that any hypothesis can be induced in this framework, such as a giant purple unicorns or flying cats. But the problem is that our current physics predicts that aliens exist, and we know that interstellar travel is possible; it may be difficult, but it certainly is possible, and many scientists like Tipler feel that it is almost inevitable.
This is why the ETH is the simplest hypothesis after the misidentification hypothesis is discarded. Hypotheses in between, such as an "unknown atmospheric phenomenon", are too vague and specious to be of any value, since they are the logical equivalent of postulating an "undetected flaw" in the analysis of a radar-visual case; but most of all, such a hypothesis fails to explain daylight sightings, and only relies on nocturnal luminosity reports, which is a selective filtration of the observations. Therefore, only the ETH can be of value after rejection of the misidentification hypothesis.
purported 30 May 1995
NELLIS AIRBFORCE BASE VIDEO.
[looks older than that, to me—but what do I know!]
It gets interesting about 1/3 of the way in.
supposedly commentary by personnel familiar with Nellis video above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldm7Px3HELA&feature=related
Thanks.
Interesting.
Why UFO Disclosure Is THE Most Important Issue For Any New President
by Bill Cain Page 1 of 1 page(s)
www.opednews.com
Let’s get the easy part out of the way first. UFO’s, some of which are of extraterrestrial origin, exist, and have been engaging earth for decades, if not millennia. Anyone who doubts that statement is either seriously uninformed about the mountain of UFO/ET evidence that keeps surfacing daily, or is in deep denial.
Anyone who immerses themselves in this topic, and thinks about it critically on their own, can only come to one informed conclusion. Those of us who have taken the time to do this are way beyond the debate of whether UFO’s, in the popular vernacular, are real or not. We understand, first and foremost, that these things are neither unidentified by those in the know, nor do they “fly” in the traditional sense of the word.
But why, some may ask, even if the phenomenon is real, is it considered such a big deal? So what, they may argue, if aliens are buzzing around our skies and compromising sovereign air space over countries in every part of the world? They aren’t causing any damage; aren’t threatening us in any perceivable way, don’t appear to want to get involved in earthly affairs, and generally stay at arms length minding their own business. Let’s get on with more important things, right? WRONG. Dead wrong.
Psychiatrist John Mack and the Astronauts who’ve dared to comment candidly on the topic!
Actually, no. I find their observations fascinating and their statements quite thought provoking for several reasons. 1) They are respectable experts with no conspiracy UFO axe to grind, 2) They are literate and able to communicate precisely and without childish CAPITALIZATION OR LOLZ! 3) They don't take it personally if someone doesn't believe them or their account, unlike certain personalities here.
I know John Mack, and you are no John Mack, believe me.
Welllllllllllll,
That’s an improvement!
So, what can you add from your knowledge of John Mack that would aid the serious discussion of the topic?
Sorry you’re so ALL CAPS challenged. I haven’t heard of any medication that would be likely to help.
It’s really silly of me to take things personally when so many naysaying folks seem to make it a life mission to accuse me most pointedly DIRECTLY AND PERSONALLY of being
—an idiot
—psychotic
—stupid
—a fraud
—needing Thorizine
—. . .
And I love to make a fuss from time to time . . . interest in the topic is better than disinterest for the still sleeping . . .
Mostly I like to throw the naysayer’s stuff back in their faces. They’ve earned so much of it through such hard work. Honor to whom honor is due, etc.
For others . . .
http://johnemackinstitute.org/
Given that it’s rather difficult to ask John Mack anything given his graduation from this time/space dimension . . .
did he ever divulge to you why he and other world famous experts on the topic
ABSOLUTELY REFUSE(D) to acknowledge that
The Name and Blood of Jesus halts abduction goings on in their tracks?
BTW, it remains comforting that you maintain such a clueless understanding of and perspective on me.
Actually,
to varying degrees, they do have various components of different conspiracy axes to grind—even John Mack. Though I doubt he’d have thought of it in those terms. He still held some pretty . . . doctrinaire perspectives on the whole thing . . . perspectives that are part and parcel of the GRAND DECEPTION.
Surprising you haven’t noticed that.
Do you need a new prescription for your glasses?
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