Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

LIVE THREAD: Nascar Nextel Cup - DAYTONA 500 - Sunday 02-19-06 [Let's Go Racing]
Nascar ^ | 02-17-06 | WCG

Posted on 02/17/2006 8:19:46 AM PST by WestCoastGal

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 2,161-2,1802,181-2,2002,201-2,220 ... 2,261-2,262 next last
To: Afronaut
af_vet_rr- you really don't like that guy do you?

Just for the record - my beef is not with Johnson - it's with his crew chief who has a track record (pun intended) of trying to cheat no matter how many times he gets caught, and with his owner who does the nudge-nudge wink-wink routine.

Johnson's job is go fast and turn left, and he does a damn find job of it, and I totally respect that - he would be winning races on many other teams.

My point about setting everybody out for a race when a team is caught entering a rigged car, is it would do the following:

- Make sponsors think more carefully about who they sponsor
- Make drivers think more carefully about who they race for
- Make car owners realize that it's not worth the risk of using crew chiefs who "get 'er done anyway possible".

It would also make the fans (myself included) not automatically jump to conclusions that a team that was caught cheating a week ago and happens to win, did not win because they cheated.

As it stands, it pays to cheat, because unless you get unlucky that week and NASCAR drops the hammer and takes point away, you have nothing to lose, execpt going to the end of the line, and that's not much of a penalty to a good team.
2,181 posted on 02/19/2006 5:51:34 PM PST by af_vet_rr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2127 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge
Casey had a good run, snuck in there..

ping - Mears got second
2,182 posted on 02/19/2006 5:52:29 PM PST by af_vet_rr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2056 | View Replies]

To: AGreatPer
I would like to see a deer ramdomly put out on the track a few times a race.

a herd of moose. say...15 or so.

2,183 posted on 02/19/2006 5:52:44 PM PST by glock rocks (sadness keeps intimate company with courage and hope)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2167 | View Replies]

To: SouthTexas
Looked that way to me. Why else would he go all the way down on the apron?

Tony's team owner should fine him and make him apologize publicly if it indeed was intentional.
I'd be concerned....Tony is suppposed to have matured and grown past his temper thingy.
Whats the sense of backing a driver who clips his cars quarters repeatedly in a race.
Tape can't do miracles.

I'll watch speed week to see what the panel says,...their pretty good at affixing who did what.

2,184 posted on 02/19/2006 5:53:34 PM PST by Light Speed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2175 | View Replies]

To: Light Speed

Tony also needs to wear a dress and high heels for the rest of the season.


2,185 posted on 02/19/2006 5:59:03 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2184 | View Replies]

To: Light Speed
The wheels on Tony's car were turned hard left into Kenseth, and Tony admitted that he did it intentionally. Yep, I'd say it was an intentional wreck.

I'll also note that Tony (and a few other drivers) had a larger issue with Turn 2, where that first incident took place. That's where Tony later (but before he ran Kenseth off the track) got real loose and got together with Jeff Gordon at the exit of the turn, and where a few other drivers had some inexplicable gone-loose incidents attributable to the wind in that corner, some single-file, some two-wide, some three-wide.

2,186 posted on 02/19/2006 6:05:07 PM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2172 | View Replies]

To: WestCoastGal
Jr. did have a tough time last year. It wasn't nascar inflicted though. (I know you're his #1 fan and I love you for that)

Matt/Roush's problems are directly related to rules and interpretations by nascar. Almost all of which are detrimental to their team. I don't think they realize how much integrity and skill #17 has brought to the sport.

I was strictly a dirt track fan until Matt came on the scene. It won't be that hard going back to that.

We'll see how this week goes...in the mean time, terrorist news that I need to track on the home front. :-)
2,187 posted on 02/19/2006 6:06:19 PM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2176 | View Replies]

To: steveegg; Light Speed
No bonus points on caution laps.

I'll go along with the staying out to lead a lap BS, but it does reward efficiency in the pits.

2,188 posted on 02/19/2006 6:06:21 PM PST by SouthTexas (2006 will be a very good year.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2180 | View Replies]

To: SouthTexas
I'll go along with the staying out to lead a lap BS, but it does reward efficiency in the pits.

You could start awarding the bonus points the moment the green flag drops on a restart. Ah, what the heck, award those 5 points the moment any green flag drops to make qualifying meaningful again.

2,189 posted on 02/19/2006 6:08:51 PM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2188 | View Replies]

To: Light Speed
The race is over, tempers (some) have calmed. I think the place for a penalty is on the track, at the time of the infraction, not two days later as is the norm. HD has talked with Joe Gibbs about his on track antics and he calmed down, actually won a championship. Tony does have a history of this and it follows the same rant as Knaus on cheating. Then his after race comments tend to support the conclusion. We shall see what Tuesday brings.
2,190 posted on 02/19/2006 6:12:22 PM PST by SouthTexas (2006 will be a very good year.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2184 | View Replies]

To: steveegg
I'm not big on points chase.
It seems Nascar is becoming to much sideshow with sponsors/owners and chemistry with drivers.
When I watch F1 racing...seems half the chat while the race is going on is who is leaving what team for..

Noticed that talk during last 1/3rd of the Nascar season and including the talkshow circuit like speedweek.

I think the drivers have too much on their plate from appearences to testing.

2,191 posted on 02/19/2006 6:13:04 PM PST by Light Speed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2180 | View Replies]

To: flutters; steveegg

On scene report from Jr re: the "incident"

The fifth caution of the race involved Matt Kenseth and Tony Stewart, two of the dominant drivers in this Daytona 500:
Dale Jr: “Did Matt just crash?”
Hmiel: “Sure did.”
Dale Jr.: “He hit something on the back straightaway?”
Hmiel: “Nah, I think they were just racing, and he got down on the flats.”
Dale Jr. (impatiently): “No, I saw what happened in front of me. I’m asking if he just went spinning through the grass, or is competitive still.”
Hmiel: “No, he hit the outside wall, Dale Jr.”
Dale Jr.: “Man, I tell ya, that was something! They need to show my in-car (camera). I got it all. And he’s gonna be after Tony! (laughing).”




Keep me updated on TM - I won't have much time this week. :(


2,192 posted on 02/19/2006 6:13:43 PM PST by WestCoastGal (If you believe you can't win, you have lost before the race has begun."-Dale Jr)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2187 | View Replies]

To: steveegg

A simpler one, your last, no more plates!


2,193 posted on 02/19/2006 6:16:04 PM PST by SouthTexas (2006 will be a very good year.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2189 | View Replies]

To: WestCoastGal

One more and I'm outta here for tonight.......

Hmiel (monitoring other teams’ radio channels): “Rick Hendrick just told his guys if these had all been green flag pit stops, the 8 would have a lap on the field.”

With a green-white-checkered sprint looming and Dale Jr. in fifth place, the team deliberated on strategy:
Dale Jr.: “The top (line) ain’t worth a damn, but it’s the only way you’re going to win.”
Hmiel: “Yeah, I know.”
Dale Jr.: “I’m doing everything I can do. I’m just scared to go up there and lose all these spots. Your pit stops have been so good all day long, I hate to not get the finish it deserves. I want to go up there, but I’m afraid I’m going to lose a lot of spots up there.”
Tony Jr.: “Do whatever you got to do, bud. Don’t worry about that. Do the best you can do. You know more about what’s going on there than we do.”
Hmiel: “Ain’t nobody gonna cuss a man for trying, right Tony Jr.?”
Tony Jr.: “Nope, never have. When you try, that’s a plus. That’s extra credit.”
Dale Jr.: “I was trying. Ol’ thing is pushing and everything else. This motor is like an old man. It’ll wake up, run for awhile, and fall back asleep. (Long pause). I wish I knew what I had behind me, because I’m going to get a run on all these guys. We’ll be single file on the restart, and they’ll train me or three-wide me, or some crazy stuff.”
Hmiel: “Yeah, nobody’s been really friendly. But we’re in good shape. You’re doing a heckuva job man. Do what you’re instincts tell you to do… Put the fear of disappointing anybody out of your mind and go for it. We’ll carry you wherever you need to go. There’s a good group of guys behind you.”
Dale Jr.: “OK, I’m going for it.”


2,194 posted on 02/19/2006 6:16:48 PM PST by WestCoastGal (If you believe you can't win, you have lost before the race has begun."-Dale Jr)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2192 | View Replies]

To: WestCoastGal
This motor is like an old man. It’ll wake up, run for awhile, and fall back asleep.

LOL Thanks for sharing. Have a good evening. Will ping you to anything important.

2,195 posted on 02/19/2006 6:20:53 PM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2194 | View Replies]

To: steveegg
Ya on micro climate.
some tracks really change when corners go part sun into shade in the late afternoon.

I was suprised their were less wrecks considering the grey environment of todays race.

The new helmet/seat harness of recent years,
do you feel this lends to a driver making more errors in perception....or nada matter to above.

off the cuff,...watched the Busch race where Tony won in the 33 car.
He seemed to be able to drive that car in the second grove and up high.
I know Tony also likes to hug the yellow and work low.
Was he frustrated today?....and it undid him upstairs?

2,196 posted on 02/19/2006 6:27:52 PM PST by Light Speed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2186 | View Replies]

To: WestCoastGal

Would you say Dale jr's in car radio is the most entertaining in NASCAR?


2,197 posted on 02/19/2006 6:28:00 PM PST by xp38
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2194 | View Replies]

To: SouthTexas
Well...LOL..the race was actually civil like.
Can't remember Robby Gordon hurling his helmet at anyone : )

I'm a Tony Stewart fan....so ya...read him the riot act and hope he handles his crown more maturely.

Call me nostalgic,
I miss the days of Dale Sr, Ernie Irvan driving the Texaco car.
Like seeing old man Gant bring it to the front.
anyhoo....less words spoken,
more glaring......and we'll see ya next week.

Is Nascar going soap oprah/opra?

2,198 posted on 02/19/2006 6:38:59 PM PST by Light Speed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2190 | View Replies]

To: Light Speed
A grey environment generally means a cooler, grippier, more-consistent track (no sunshine to heat up parts of the track). Of course, with that wind kicking up and occassional mist, that'll put a monkey wrench into things, which it did. Fortunately, it was mainly single-car stuff that got saved.

Dunno about the on-track stuff, but the HANS/extended headrests have really screwed things up on pit road. The spotter is usually not in a great place to keep an eye on pit road, and the crew chief has a lot more to worry about than making sure you're not going to tear off into somebody as soon as the jack drops.

I didn't have anybody's radio up (had the MRN feed), so I can't really comment on what anybody was thinking at any part of the race. All I can really say is that conditions were way different between yesterday and today.

2,199 posted on 02/19/2006 6:41:10 PM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2196 | View Replies]

Comment #2,200 Removed by Moderator


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 2,161-2,1802,181-2,2002,201-2,220 ... 2,261-2,262 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson