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America’s Drone Crisis: ‘Made in America’ Is Nearly Impossible
National Security Journal ^ | 8/11/2025 | Mike Jernigan

Posted on 08/11/2025 10:05:05 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

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To: poinq
...will be decided by who can make the most drones both fast and cheap...

Drones don't cross oceans.

81 posted on 08/11/2025 3:49:05 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: desertsolitaire

Tool and die components as well a large stamping mills are still the driving force.


82 posted on 08/11/2025 3:49:58 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: flamberge

You are certainly correct about quantity having a quality of its own, which something that Eisenhower explained to Rommel 80 years ago.

That said, the per-unit cost of the “Ghost” UAV isn’t publicly known, though the term “low hundreds of thousands of dollars” gets tossed around. It’s been used for at least three years in combat operations in Ukraine, and has been shown to be effective against Russian troops (and in some reports, armor) in both strike and recon missions.

The CCP is making and selling larger Reaper competitors in the 2-5MM range, and much smaller recon oriented short range products in the 10-60K range per unit, but the Ghost is sort of a unique niche. It’s cheap enough to be considered attritable if used against higher-value targets, but capable of a much wider range of missions than the smaller quad-copters.

China is a real threat, and not to be taken lightly, but these new, more nimble, and more innovative American defense companies shouldn’t be given short shrift, either. Just in So Cal, you’ve got in addition to Anduril, Epirus (around the corner from Space-X, and with a bunch of Space-X alums) working on counter-drone directed energy defense systems, CX2 in ‘Gundo, and let’s not forget the larger manufacturing ecosystem that’s developed, with firms like Hadrian making all of these other defense companies vastly more efficient.

This isn’t a time to be blackpilled, when you look at these newer “hard tech” startups, who are getting plenty of venture funding.

At the very least, it’s a race, and the CCP and Iran are not winning. At least at the moment.


83 posted on 08/11/2025 6:06:52 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: GingisK
Actually, our woes stem entirely from the 1000% markup collected by the retail outlets.

You can't actually believe that, right?

84 posted on 08/11/2025 7:42:32 PM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack
You can't actually believe that, right?

I can prove it.

85 posted on 08/11/2025 8:52:53 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: econjack
Long story short. In 1977 or 1978 I found that the factory that made power hand tools for Sears provided them a router for $7.80. When I bought one from Sears that very same router cost me $78.00. That is 1000% markup. Ditto for a product sold through Walmart. Retail outlets push manufactures so low that labor is the only place left for to shed costs in order to stay profitable. After that, they can no longer use American labor.
86 posted on 08/11/2025 8:57:50 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
A sample size of two, even if true, out of probably millions of retail products does not warrant the conclusion that the retail sales industry has a 1000% markup. Looking up retail profit margins via ChatGPT, I found:

Net profit margins, which reflect the “bottom-line” profit after taxes and all expenses, generally range between 2.8% and 3.5% across the U.S. retail sector.

If retailers had a 1000% margin to play with, I fail to see where 996% of the markup went.

87 posted on 08/12/2025 5:36:31 AM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack

OK, lets never solve the problem.


88 posted on 08/12/2025 9:52:38 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

I think everyone wants to solve the problem, but you need to properly define the cause first, and a 1000% retail markup isn’t the cause.


89 posted on 08/12/2025 10:58:14 AM PDT by econjack
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To: GingisK

Missiles can only blow things up, they can’t hold land. Clinton threw missiles at the Taliban, what good did that do. We can throw missiles at the Houthies. What good is that. A million cheap drones with satellite control, cameras and bombs or guns, that will hold land. A few marines can take control. Missiles have their place but they can’t win a war.


90 posted on 08/12/2025 4:54:38 PM PDT by poinq (thics and customs and did not take an oath to the country. And did not follow the country's traditio)
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