James Clyburn Says Democrats Have Until August 19th to Remove and Replace Joe Biden Through an Open Convention

Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 12, 2024 | Sundance

[redheadedshannon]

Apologize. Confused. People post replies in this wierd stream of consciousness manner that probably makes sense & is self explanatory to them, but others look at it puzzled. Was what you posted a proposal of how to make the election fair; or were you describing a process already in place; are you saying you do or don’t think the process described would likely produce fairer results? 😉

[Zhang Fei]

I guess it comes down to this: What is the standard or threshold under which a candidate should be removed or forced to step aside at this point in the campaign, after he has won all the primaries?

He’s clearly old. He’s clearly weakening. There is good reason to doubt he can make it through a full term.

At the same time, he is clearly alive, and clearly cognizant of what is going on around him. He does not meet the standard for removal from office under the 25th amendment.

Everybody knew he was old when the party establishment assured him a largely uncontested primary. The only thing that has changed is that people are alarmed because his polling is very bad. The polling of all the likely candidates to replace him is also very bad.

My view is that these reservations should have been expressed a year ago, and he should not have faced an uncontested primary. I think the party establishment should not have assured him an uncontested primary and I don’t think they’re entitled to a mulligan now that the delegates are already pledged.

The voters should choose the president, not George Clooney and the NYT editorial board.

If this attempted coup or insurrection against the duly nominated candidate succeeds, future Democrat nominations are gonna be eventful, to say the least. Every time a nominee falls behind in the polls, he is gonna be forced out. This is the reason Democrats haven’t torn up the rules and selected a new candidate. If there are no rules, are the Democrats even an organized party, or just a loose organization of political warlords?

[McGavin999]

What are you talking about?

[McGavin999]

I know, he was in the battleground states last week or so I suppose arranging for the cheat there.

[cgbg]

The Democrats have not nominated a presidential candidate.

Any state that claims they have (before the convention) will get laughed out of federal court.

[cgbg]

Each party creates its own rules at their convention.

That is it.

The convention has not happened yet.

[9YearLurker]

He is correct, short of Biden’s later, unfortunate and untimely, uh, demise.

[Zhang Fei]

[Each party creates its own rules at their convention.

That is it.

The convention has not happened yet.]

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The rules are set before the primaries. The primaries are over. Biden won by getting the overwhelming majority of pledged delegates, who are now as locked in as voters are on election day. The convention is to the primaries what the inauguration is to the general election - a formality. It’s also an excuse for a big party to garner free media coverage - a vital element of any general election campaign.

[cgbg]

The primaries elect delegates to the convention, not candidates.

You must know this.

In 1968 Democrat delegates were “pledged” to Robert F. Kennedy.

Obviously they did not vote for him at the convention.

The “formality” of the convention is not just a legal formality. It is where actual candidates are nominated by actual delegates.

[Zhang Fei]

[The primaries elect delegates to the convention, not candidates.

You must know this.

In 1968 Democrat delegates were “pledged” to Robert F. Kennedy.

Obviously they did not vote for him at the convention.

The “formality” of the convention is not just a legal formality. It is where actual candidates are nominated by actual delegates.]

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The pledges are as locked in as a general election vote. But both are subject to the winner being alive for the convention or inauguration. Unless you know something no one else does, no one is looking at Biden being dead by the time the convention rolls around. Because unless the Democrats decide to mount a coup by changing the rules after the fact or literally put Biden in the ground, he is the Democrat nominee for 2024. Besides, even before Sirhan Sirhan, RFK played second fiddle to Humphrey. He was too right wing for the Democrats in 1968.

[cgbg]

“The pledges are as locked in as a general election vote.”

That is not even the current Democratic convention rules as written say.

The current rules say that delegates committed to a candidate should vote in “good conscience” to represent those who voted for them.

It does not define that term.

These are extraordinary times.

Normalcy bias is not gonna cut it this year.

(As for Biden living until the convention—that is another issue—far from certain whether he dies a natural or CIA style death. The DC power players are fighting—and anybody could get stomped.)

[sausageseller]

Parties can nominate whoever they chose.
But that does not give them ballot access.
You can start you own party today and nominate yourself.
That does not mean you will be on all states ballots.

[cgbg]

The Democrat party presidential nominee has been on state ballots since 1828.

No court is going to allow any state to deny them ballot access with their chosen presidential candidate at this point.

[CodeToad]

The democraps have until Aug 7 in Ohio or lose the ballot.