Posted on 06/23/2024 7:20:33 AM PDT by jacknhoo
I didn’t say Vivek was an anchor baby. I was just equating an anchor baby to someone who was born in the US, but their parent’s weren’t. If it were up to me none of them would be considered NBC.
Well, it’s not up to you or me but the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended - The Rule of Law, what the liberties of America are all about.
Will the lax immigration with Biden allowing illegals in by the millions, what good is the constitution in stopping this criminality?
JD Vance, Rand Paul and Tucker Carlson are my list of acceptable (not NeoCon) VP’s.
JEB!
(Do I really need one?)
Rand > JD
In other words, for example, you believe that all those babies born from the millions illegals Biden is importing into the United States are NBCs.
You are insane.
How did Eisenhower manage to deport his millions of illegals?
Try again.
Vivek in not an “anchor baby”. An anchor baby has parents who are not legally in the U.S.
” What matters is what the ratifiers of the Constitution considered an NBC was.”
The Immigration Act of 1790 directly defines what a NBC is — one born of citizen parents, as generations of Americans have been taught, up until just before Obama. Now everyone claims to not know that. The Act was written a year after adoption of the Constitution.
Much is made of the fact that the Constitution does not define what a NBC is. The Constitution does not define ANY legal term and uses legal terms understood by everyone.
People have claimed that anyone born in the U S is a NBC. That was before the Biden-led invasion magnifies the absurdity of the idea.
Quote via The Conservative Treehouse:
John Bingham, framer of 14th Amend. – “I do not stand here to cavil with men who are not read in the horn-books of the law; but I assert that every man born within the limits of the Republic, or under its flag at sea, of parents who were not the subjects of any other sovereignty, are, in the very words of the Constitution, natural born citizens.”
Rep Bingham quote is from Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 407 (1862)
Enter in 407, click Turn to image, and look at the end of the first and beginning of the second column:
https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=058/llcg058.db&recNum=64
NBC was settled by sound constitutionally-based Supreme Court decisions as cited and based on those sound decisions, Vivek is an NBC (not “anyone born in the U.S. is an NBC” as you say).
Carefully re-read post #31 and/or carefully read the cases cited.
I am not a lawyer but I have read research written by “sound” (to use your language which you obviously intend to mean the final word) constitutional lawyers and those cases you cited don’t mean what you say they mean, and I have noticed that it is completely useless to discuss the concept on Free Republic.
As I have stated, generations of Americans have been taught that a NBC refers to people born of citizen parents, and I was taught that as late as about 1972 by a college professor at the college I attended.
I have been intending to go the the School Board office and see if they have any old history books. They use to. Now, however, it is a trend for people to pretend not to know things.
Trump should formally announce a short list to let the press and public have at it.
A few days before the convention Trump should announce the person.
Quote:
Upon her departure from the administration, President Trump described Sarah [Huckabee] as “irreplaceable,” a “warrior” and “very special person with extraordinary talents, who has done an incredible job.
https://www.sarahforgovernor.com/about/
Others wrote here yesterday:
“Vance is brilliant, quick on his feet and articulate. Burgum will not add one single vote across America, decent as he appears to be.”
“I’d go with Rubio or Scott. The others won’t add anything to the ticket. It’s more important to win than to get the right successor. Actually I think Tim Scott adds most to the ticket. He’d help in PA, and PA is the essential state to win. If Trump wins PA, then he wins.”
A lot of folks go to DC thinking they have courage.
By the time the Deep State is done collecting a blackmail file on them they find out otherwise.
No I don’t think there’s been any ruling from the Supreme Court, on the specific issue of people running for president, and their status as natural born citizens.
In order for that to happen, someone somewhere , will have to file suit against Vivek or Marco Rubio, or someone in the future, with the lawsuit claiming that they are not natural born citizens. Then eventually the Supreme Court would rule on such a case.
In the absence of a lawsuit by someone claiming that these people are not natural born citizens , the assumption would be that they are by virtue of being American citizens by birth.
Whenever SCOTUS has mentioned a “natural-born citizen” it has always been the offspring of citizen-parents. This makes perfect sense. The offspring of citizen-parents born solely within the jurisdiction naturally inherit the citizenship of their parents.
Complete and utter nonsense on many counts. The first of which is the very purpose for inserting the natural-born citizenship requirement into the Presidential qualification clause in the first place.
Secondly, the definition of a “natural” citizen at birth as opposed to citizenship at birth bestowed by the plenary power of the state.
Lastly, statutory construction tells us a general clause (i.e. 14A §1 Citizens at birth) can not govern a specific clause (i.e. No Person except a natural-born citizen — Art. II, §1, Cl. 5). Until Congress specifically states via its constitutional authority that “all citizens at birth are natural born citizens,” the court MUST give each clause a separate legal effect. Simply put: “While all-natural citizens are citizens at birth, not all citizens at birth are natural citizens.” That is to say, all Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural-born citizens are citizens by natural right, while all 14A §1 Citizens at birth are citizens by positive law.
*Is Burgum anti-deep state?*
Don’t ask me. All I know is there is no heavy lifting running either Dakota.
Having been associated with construction crews in his professional business life, he’s not afraid to actually touch and look into the eyes of ordinary working people, union or otherwise. He has caused the employment of more people, minorities and others, than any pol on the planet, and without raising taxes or increasing the size of government.
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