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Review of "The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico" by Bernal Diaz
Gun Watch ^ | June 4, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/16/2024 5:10:39 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain; arthurus

Another book you might check out is the first-hand account of Antonio Pigafetta concerning Magellan’s voyage around the globe.

One thing he mentioned that stuck in my head was the encounter of ‘giants’ in Patagonia when they traveled thru what we now name as the strait of Magellan.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Magellan_s_Voyage/sclFZPrPVhsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover


21 posted on 03/16/2024 7:24:44 AM PDT by texanyankee
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22 posted on 03/16/2024 7:34:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: marktwain

“About $200 for the set!
Seems ripe for a reprint.”

I just did a search and cant find anything much cheaper either.

I probably bought the Desoto Chronicles back in 2019 or 2020. I bought the paperback version and I doubt I paid over $45 total for the set.


23 posted on 03/16/2024 7:47:12 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: texanyankee

Cortez was a butcher.


24 posted on 03/16/2024 7:58:22 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: marktwain

Shouldn’t Spain give Mexico back to the original indigenous dwellers...the Aztecs?


25 posted on 03/16/2024 8:04:37 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: moovova

Some are openly promoting the Aztec religion.


26 posted on 03/16/2024 8:13:38 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: texanyankee

I first started reading Wm. H. Prescott’s books, “History of the Conquest of Mexico” and then followed up with his set of books, “The Conquest of Peru.” They are each 2 volume sets.

He wrote his books in the 1800s and gleaned most of his material from the accounts of the conquistadores & the priests.

Both sets are highly entertaining & I enjoyed reading them.
The style of writing back in the 1800s is quite different but definitely worth the effort, nevermind the fact it’s educational.

Anyways fast forward to today. I was running out of anything interesting in that same genre. Then I came upon a book that I initially thought would be repetitious of Prescott’s books on Peru. The reviews nudged me into giving it a try.

I am currently halfway through a book titled, “The Conquest of the Incas” by John Hemming. He did much more research than Prescott and I find it well-worth the read. He details the history of Pizarro’s encounter with the Incas & their leader, Atahualpa. He also gives a great narrative of what became of the Pizarro brothers and the subsequent Inca leadership after the killing of Atahualpa. Most importantly in my opinion, Hemming provides a ton of sources.

I highly recommend it! You can find it on ebay for about $10. It took almost 4 weeks to arrive but I’m happy with it.


27 posted on 03/16/2024 8:31:47 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Cortez was bad enough but wait until you read what Pizarro did to the Inca leader, Atahualpa.

They gave Atahualpa a choice. Either die on a bonfire as a pagan or become a Christian & die by garrotte.

Atahualpa initially refused the offer by Pizarro & tried the bonfire but quickly changed his mind and died a ‘Christian.’


28 posted on 03/16/2024 8:38:08 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: marktwain

I read this book back in 1961. an excellent read! Later read THE CONQUEST OF MEXICO AND PERU by Prescott. He tells how the Spanish climbed the volcano to obtain sulfur for making gun powder and got their first glimpse of the Aztec capitol from the top.

I found Beral Dias’ book again a few years back in a used book shop and reread it. Still a great work! So good I donated it to my local library. I later found they had tossed it. They prefer modern romances to real history.


29 posted on 03/16/2024 8:38:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

I meant my prior comment to you yet somehow directed it to myself:

I first started reading Wm. H. Prescott’s books, “History of the Conquest of Mexico” and then followed up with his set of books, “The Conquest of Peru.” They are each 2 volume sets.

He wrote his books in the 1800s and gleaned most of his material from the accounts of the conquistadores & the priests.

Both sets are highly entertaining & I enjoyed reading them.
The style of writing back in the 1800s is quite different but definitely worth the effort, nevermind the fact it’s educational.

Anyways fast forward to today. I was running out of anything interesting in that same genre. Then I came upon a book that I initially thought would be repetitious of Prescott’s books on Peru. The reviews nudged me into giving it a try.

I am currently halfway through a book titled, “The Conquest of the Incas” by John Hemming. He did much more research than Prescott and I find it well-worth the read. He details the history of Pizarro’s encounter with the Incas & their leader, Atahualpa. He also gives a great narrative of what became of the Pizarro brothers and the subsequent Inca leadership after the killing of Atahualpa. Most importantly in my opinion, Hemming provides a ton of sources.

I highly recommend it! You can find it on ebay for about $10. It took almost 4 weeks to arrive but I’m happy with it.


30 posted on 03/16/2024 8:39:35 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yeah, somehow history books are no longer that important in our libraries.
I find it disgusting.


31 posted on 03/16/2024 8:40:50 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I liked Bernal’s description of a catapult built by one of the soldiers. When they shot a stone for the first time, the stone went straight up, then down and smashed their catapult .


32 posted on 03/16/2024 8:41:26 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

Bookmark


33 posted on 03/16/2024 8:43:07 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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I would say the book was re-published six years ago. It’s been around for hundreds of years. The book is simply fantastic. It’s not the product of an academic, pontificating about everything, having a political agenda. It’s literally a soldier in his army writing the good the bad the ugly, their encounters with Indian women, the battles, the hardships and successes. Very nuts and bolts. Great book! Probably the best from that era.


34 posted on 03/16/2024 8:56:27 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: marktwain

The conquistadors were heroes. It’s shameful the way people trash them today. Them showing up in the land of the Aztecs was about like the allied armies rolling in the Nazi death camps.


35 posted on 03/16/2024 8:57:23 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: SunkenCiv

Could you please include me on the ping list of “gods, graves, glyphs?”

thanks!


36 posted on 03/16/2024 9:00:07 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: marktwain
Thank you for sharing. This is fascinating. Can you please elaborate on this sentence:

Cortez' letters were essentially reports of a Conquistador commander seeking favor, and explaining his actions, which were mostly extralegal.

What part of Cortez' actions were extralegal? And according to which set of laws and which jurisdictions? Thanks.

37 posted on 03/16/2024 9:00:29 AM PDT by nwrep
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Cortez was given a license to explore and trade with the people he found. He vastly exceeded his authority as given to him by the representative of the Spanish Emperor. He did this in many ways, on many occasions.

Success has many fathers. Defeat is an orphan.

38 posted on 03/16/2024 9:14:34 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: texanyankee

Welcome.


39 posted on 03/16/2024 9:14:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: nwrep
What part of Cortez' actions were extralegal? And according to which set of laws and which jurisdictions? Thanks.

Technically, Cortez was a rebel. He was trained in the law, and understood his position very well. The governor of of Cuba, Velasquez de Cuellar, had initially authorized Cortez only to explore the Mexican coast. Any attempt to go further would be beyond his authority and especially an effort to conquer new territory would usurp the Cuban governor’s authority. He could be hung for that. The governor got wind of Cortez’ intent before the expedition left and attempted to halt him, but Cortez escaped by leaving a few days early. Once Cortez landed, he tried to justify his act by establishing a new town, Vera Cruz, then having himself elected mayor, and then having the new town give him a charter for conquest. Later de Cuellar sent six-hundred men to Vera Cruz to arrest Cortez, but they were subverted by the prospect of plunder and joined Cortez. Nevertheless, Cortez alway remained careful to preserve one-fifth of all the gold and previous items for Charles V, in hopes of eventually being exonerated.

40 posted on 03/16/2024 9:18:18 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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