Posted on 08/18/2023 6:06:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
RE: That is to say, born of U.S. citizen parents
I’ve asked this before. How do we know Vivek’s parents were not US citizens when he was born? Can anyone provide reliable information on this?
I believe he is a practicing Hindu with a catholic school education. His commencement speech is worth finding on You tube.
“Well,many of us had no clue about Donald Trump in 2016 either.”
That is because you were not paying attention. I have seen him on TV for decades saying the same things he says now. There is an old Oprah show of about 1988 on youtube — sounds then just like he does now.
Simply having a manifesto is a great and helpful move. It is an invitation to the other candidates to distill their perspective and thereby help voters decide. This manifesto is pretty good. I want the other candidates to step up and do better.
1. This nation was founded by a group of people who wanted to get away from religious persecution in England at the hands of the Church of England and King George. So the Constitution was written in a way to express "freedom of or from" whatever was plaguing them over there, i.e. religious persecution for worshiping Jehovah God.
2. Today's world has grossly misinterpreted the Constitution to excluded that overall concept and now just says "we have freedom." Well, I ask, freedom of what, or from what?
3. Hinduism is greatly hostile towards Christianity. Look at what happens to Christians in countries that are majority Hindu. You hear of Christians being persecuted and Christian churches/worship centers being destroyed.
So until Ramaswamy clarifies his views on that one aspect of his 10 statements, I will look upon him very "cautiously." We've been snookered in the past (remember a certain Barack Obama???) and I until I hear something from him that proves he acknowledges and respects the God of Christianity I continue in that mindset. If Nebuchadnezzar can do it, so can he.
RE: That is because you were not paying attention.
His actions were MIXED. One is justified in questioning whether he believed in limited government when he contributed thousands to the campaigns of among others : Joe Biden ( yes THAT Biden ), Kamala Harris ( yes THAT Kamala ), Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand and yes, Hillary Clinton.
His explanation was he had to do it for his business to survive in a broken system. Well, regardless, his money STILL helped these big government liberals in their campaign.
I supported Ted Cruz in the primaries but voted for Trump in 2016 because the alternative was unbearable. In other words, I HAD TO TAKE A CHANCE! Fortunately, I was pleasantly surprised.
My point is we are justified in being cautious with an unknown young candidate with no government record, but, worse comes to worst, if it came down to Vivek vs Biden ( or Gavin Newsom ), men with KNOWN horrible records. Hence, I will follow the same path I did in 2016 — vote for the businessman who articulates my values, taking the chance that he will walk the talk.
I am not all knowing and I might regret my choice, or like Trump, I might be pleasantly surprised, but I KNOW THE ALTERNATIVE. So, I’ll vote Vivek if it came down to that because I KNOW THE ALTERNATIVE. That’s my reasoning.
RE: Hinduism is greatly hostile towards Christianity
We cannot generalize this. I know MANY Hindus and I’ve worked with scores of them in my profession. I know NONE who are hostile to Christians.
I’ve even been to several places in India. Most churches I see are FREE to worship, and their federal government PROTECTS them as minorities.
Of course in every place, there WILL BE extremists. So yes, there are Hindus hostile to the spreading of the gospel as interference in their national religion. And there are even Hindus who resort to violence against Christians. But these extremists are prosecuted and punished according to Indian law.
But you cannot Judge All Hindus ( over a billion of them ) based on the actions of a few extremists. It would be like judging America as a lawless country based on nuts who shoot people in schools and shopping centers.
If you took the time to talk to Hindus, you would even be surprised to find many who believe that Jesus Christ is one of the manifestations of Krishna, their own version of an incarnated diety. Gandhi himself agreed with what Jesus taught in the sermon on the mount.
If you want to believe that Vivek is a secret Hindu extremist who wants to see Christians persecuted and won’t speak out, go ahead and believe that. I personally think that he, as a Catholic educated Indian, his sympathies are with Christian values. He could well govern like the pagan King Cyrus.
As I said before, I don’t think he will win the nomination, and between him ( an unknown) and Trump, I choose Trump ( the man with the record I generally support ).
But if by some bizarre fluke, it came down to Vivek vs Biden or say, Gavin Newsom, two Democrats with KNOWN Anti-Christian, anti-constitution records, I’ll take my chances with the Hindu who espouses the values I support. That’s how I personally see it. You go vote your way.
“His explanation was he had to do it for his business to survive in a broken system. Well, regardless, his money STILL helped these big government liberals in their campaign.”
That is the world we live in. Even mentioned directly by Jesus — Luke 16. It evidently was legal back then, just as now.
Trump broke no laws and helped consevatives as well as liberals, thereby helping himself and ultimately us all.
My point is if we can give Trump the benefit of the doubt because he articulates what we believe, why can’t we do the same for Vivek?
Yet, all I hear is he’s a Soros WEF Stooge despite his repeated denials and explanations.
“My point is if we can give Trump the benefit of the doubt because he articulates what we believe...”
My point is that we don’t have to give Trump the benefit of the doubt now, he has four years to show what he believes.
You still have to grant honesty to the Hindu, and that is a crap shoot. He has already greenlighted China’s take over of Taiwan, which is sheer stupidity.
RE: My point is that we don’t have to give Trump the benefit of the doubt now, he has four years to show what he believes.
I just said that in my above post. In fact I just said that I’m for Trump in 2024 because we already know his record. You’re just repeating what I said.
But I was referring to having given Trump the benefit of the doubt in 2016 despite numerous unknowns and hence giving Vivek the benefit of the doubt should by some very slim chance, he wins the nomination in 2024.
Of course I grant honesty to this PARTICULAR Hindu because I haven’t seen anything in his record to disbelieve him. If It’s going to be a choice between granting Vivek the benefit of the doubt and electing the KNOWN LIAR and SELLOUT Joe Biden, the choice OUGHT to be clear.
As for selling out Taiwan to the Chinese, I think you might have misunderstood what Vivek said. He said in his interview with Hugh Hewitt:
“Xi Jinping should not mess with Taiwan until we have achieved semiconductor independence, until the end of my first term when I will lead us there,”
What he means is between 2024 and 2028, he’s NOT going to allow a Chinese invasion because it will directly affect America’s economy.
But after that, Ramaswamy was noncommittal about firing the first shot against China if Beijing launched an invasion after 2029, as well as about whether the US could prevail in such a conflict.
As for fighting a war with China…. “That depends,” he said. “I think right now, if we take the risk of entering serious major conflict in a circumstance where Russia and China are still in a military alliance with one another and we have not gotten India fully committed … then I think we’re in serious danger of not only losing that conflict. I think there are serious threats to the continued existence of the United States of America as we know it.”
He never said he was going to sell out Taiwan by my reading. He is keeping his options open until our capabilities, Taiwan’s, and geopolitical implications are more thoroughly known.
That for me, indicates a cautious approach, not a “draw your guns” instinct that has the potential of risking hundreds of thousands of American lives.
And he hasn’t ruled out diplomacy either.
So, I don’t think it’s fair to say that he is willing to sell out Taiwan.
BTW, this same question ought to be asked of ALL Candidates, Trump included,
I’d like to know who among them are willing to commit our troops to fighting a war for Taiwan.
“He never said he was going to sell out Taiwan by my reading.”
“by my reading”??? Then perhaps you should sharpen your reading skills. Just what do you think UNTIL means:
“Xi Jinping should not mess with Taiwan until we have achieved semiconductor independence...”
In other words, he will throw a strong ally to the wolves once he thinks he can get away with it. What a guy.
He is not ready for prime time.
RE: Xi Jinping should not mess with Taiwan until we have achieved semiconductor independence...”
So, your conclusion is this : Xi Jin Ping can then mess with Taiwan after that and we’re just going to let him?
I don’t think he means that. He said : After that, our commitments to Taiwan — our commitments to be willing to go to military conflict — will change after that because that’s rationally in our self-interest. That is honest. That is true, and that is credible.”
There are several ways of looking at it. He could try to actively solve the issue diplomatically to avoid bloodshed, he could like what we’re doing in Ukraine, provide Taiwan with the weapons to defend herself, etc.
Let me put the question to you —- what would you do? Would you risk hundreds of thousands of American lives and a potential World War to defend Taiwan if you were President?
Are you in favor of what Biden is doing NOW in arming Ukraine to fight Russia in a never ending war of attrition?
You’re going to vote for Trump by my understanding… what do you think Trump will do in Taiwan and Ukraine ?
“So, your conclusion is this : Xi Jin Ping can then mess with Taiwan after that and we’re just going to let him?”
No. That is not my conclusion. That is what Ramaswamy said.
“...our commitments to be willing to go to military conflict — will change after...”
Your favorite Hindu just said he is willing to engage in military conflict with China.
“Are you in favor of what Biden is doing NOW in arming Ukraine to fight Russia in a never ending war of attrition?”
No.
“You’re going to vote for Trump by my understanding… what do you think Trump will do in Taiwan and Ukraine ?
Ukraine — He will negotiate an end to it quickly.
Taiwan — if China has not attacked Taiwan before Trump is back in office, it won’t when Trump is in office.
RE: That is what Ramaswamy said.
“...our commitments to be willing to go to military conflict — will change after...”
Errr... CHANGE MEANS ABANDON TO CHINA? That’s a verrry long stretch.
RE: Your favorite Hindu just said he is willing to engage in military conflict with China.
Where did he say that? My understanding is the opposite. He wants to AVOID war.
If you’re against the never ending war of attrition between Ukraine and China, then I don’t believe Vivek wants that either — in this case Taiwan and China.
RE: Taiwan — if China has not attacked Taiwan before Trump is back in office, it won’t when Trump is in office.
I hope you’re right, How do you know that?
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