Posted on 09/09/2022 7:23:55 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
Remind what was the end outcome of the Battle of the Bulge and/or Kursk salient?
Ukraine: military situation update with maps, Sept 8, 2022
(’Orc’ is associated with the various hoards of 13th century Mongol invaders, as well as LOTR evil villains)
War in Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg/videos
Artillery (key to success in this war), Fuller explanation of Orc military structure, Other Bonus articles - see previous postings in “Attack on Europe” (FR title search).
(Numbered printed material below - Some of the items below may be out of date, and not updated yet)
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Extra:
Ukraine Situation Report: Dozens Of Towns Retaken From Russians
Ukraine has fought into occupied territory, capturing equipment and personnel and raising the country’s blue-and-yellow flag along the way.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-dozens-of-towns-retaken-from-russians
Excerpts:
“What the Ukrainians are doing is a very deliberate offensive attack,” Milley added. “They are setting conditions with fires in order to set conditions for ground maneuver to accomplish the objectives that they set out. … I would characterize it as a very deliberate offensive operation that is calibrated to set conditions and then sees their objectives and we think at this point, that their progress … is steady, and it’s deliberate.”
Asked whether he thought Ukrainian forces risk overstretching their logistics capability during such a seemingly lightning-fast advance, Milley simply said “No,” I don’t.” Active combat is occurring along roughly 1,300 kilometers of a 2,500 front line stretching from Kharkiv to Kherson, he said.
“There’s fighting all along that front,” Milley said. “I don’t think they are particularly overstretched, per se, but there is fighting both offense and defense from all the way from Kharkiv all the way down to Kherson. They’re continuing the fight. They’ve got the force to do it, and we’ll see how this plays out.”
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The Ukrainian General Staff also has confirmed that missiles struck the Saki airfield in Crimea last month. That attack destroyed at least 10 Russian military jets at the Russian base far behind the front lines. It still is unclear what missiles could have reached so far as nothing in Ukraine’s declared arsenal is capable of doing so. It is very possible the term missile was used for improvised long-range suicide drones that blur the line between drones and cruise missiles. We know these have been used in such attacks before.
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U.S. Pledges 37,000 Artillery Rounds In Latest Ukraine Aid Package
U.S. military leaders are “seeing real and measurable gains from Ukraine” using NATO-donated artillery and armor.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/u-s-pledges-37000-artillery-rounds-in-latest-ukraine-aid-package
Excerpt:
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine Systems;
Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds;
Additional High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARMs);
100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV), better known as Humvees;
1.5 million rounds of small arms ammunition;
More than 5,000 anti-armor systems;
Additional grenade launchers and small arms;
50 armored medical treatment vehicles;
Night vision devices and other field equipment.
During a press conference from Germany on Sept. 8, Austin, along with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley, said Ukraine is showing demonstrable battlefield success with donated weaponry.
“We are seeing real and measurable gains from Ukraine and the use of these systems,” Milley said.
The first batch of M777 155mm howitzers was delivered to Ukraine in April. Since then, the U.S. has delivered 126 M777s and nearly 500,0000 rounds of ammunition. Ukraine has struck more than 400 targets with HIMARS loaded with Guided Multiple-Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) rounds, Milley said.
“It has had a devastating effect,” Milley said. “Russian lines of communication and supply channels are severely strained. It is having a direct impact on the Russian ability to project and sustain combat power. Russian command and control in the headquarters have been disrupted and they’re having great difficulty resupplying their forces and replacing their combat losses.”
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••General Strategic Situation:
This offense was extremely successful in our opinion and was pretty well planned & executed by Ukrainian command and army.
Ukrainian troops reached a Otskil river south of Kup’yars’k in the village Sen’kove. This means that the supply route that goes through Kup’yars’k is cut off even though Kup’yars’k was still, in the evening, in Russian hands. Nevertheless, that route was severed and is not available to Russian Izyum groups.
This means the initial phase was definitely won by Ukrainian troops, now there’s going to be a second phase of this operation where Russian command probably will try to do some kind of counter attack. It will be very very strange they don’t, if they don’t try to do a counter attack. There are some reports that, on the morning of the 9th, some Russian troops were approaching and starting to put pressure on Ukraine troops.
It would be very strange if Ukrainian troops and command managed to hold on to the victory, successfully defending against the Russian counter-attack that’s impending, in our opinion.
This is definitely going to be total disaster for Russian troops, and probably will mean lost pretty much all of the equipment that’s on the Izyum bridgehead, and lost significant portion of the infantry there. That means this will tilt the balance of power significantly into Ukrainian favor.
On this this whole Kharkiv/Dombas/Zaporizhzhia region: it means that all of the offensive here, in specifically north Donbas and central Donbas region, will be ground to halt, and once the Russian troops are destroyed on Kherson bridgehead, Russian command will have no choice but to withdraw from Ukraine.
There will be few options: to withdraw from Ukraine or double down and throw conscripts into the war, creating numerical advantage in terms of infantry.
As you can imagine, conscripts are not going to be not equal to professional soldiers; their motivation is going to be much, much lower. So you need many more of those. Probably need 500,000-700,000: it’s hard to predict the quality of conscript the Russian command will get.
The other options is unconventional: using some tactical nuclear weapons, destroying all of the bridges across Dnipro River and essentially separating Ukraine into two pieces.
That probably will be hard to do, given the number of the rockets, missiles needed. At this point, we doubt Russian command has that number of missiles at their disposal; it means probably 200-300, probably even more to destroy the bridges across Dnipro River.
The options for for the Russian side, at this point, look very very bad, and it remains to be seen if they have any ace in up their sleeve in the counter offensive that they are about to launch. If that counter offensive is successful, this means the attacking Ukrainian troops could be could be trapped in an encirclement.
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Summary:
Major Ukrainian offensive on Kherson bridgehead
Day 11 of the offensive
Ukrainian advances on the Kherson bridgehead stalled.
Ukrainian command launched offensive with ultimate objective - Kupyansk
Day 3 of the offensive
Key areas:
- Balakliya area:
Ukrainian troops approached Kup’yars’k;
They are in Hrushivka which is about 7km from Kup’yars’k;
•••The more important that part of attacking troops moved south and took control of village Senkove on Oskil river thereby severing main supply route of Russian troops on Izyum bridgehead. This puts Russian troops on the bridgehead in catastrophic situation.•••
The only opportunity to save them is to counterattack towards Shevchenkove with the ultimate goal of reaching Balakliya and encircling Ukrainian attacking troops.
- Izyum bridgehead: no changes
- North Donbass area: no changes
- Donetsk West: no changes.
- Kherson bridgehead:
Ukrainian troops (28th brigade) achieved small (2km) penetration of Russian defensive position near Posad-Pokrovske (20th Division).
1. Kharkiv:
Balakliya - Izyum - Kup’yars’k area:
Forces Identified:
Orc: (? / 18th D), (752nd / 3 mD), (448th / 144th D), (Samara = Baskiriya SOBR)
UA: (92nd), (80th), (25th)
Balakliya - Izyum - Kup’yars’k area:
Somewhere in the middle of the day, Ukrainian troops reached the village Hrushivka. The Russian military administration of the Kharkiv region, fled and moved to Vovchans’k on the border with Russia. Towards the end of the day, there was attempted infiltration of Ukraine a commando unit into Kup’yars’k, but it was repelled by Russian troops.
Another important feature of this offensive, which is something new, and something that’s extremely positive, a sign of extreme skill, is attacking Ukrainian troops, they don’t they don’t stand and try to assault Russian strongholds, like Sheychenkove and Balakliya, they just bypass and keep moving forward.
This is something new, something so very not typical for the Soviet approach to the war and that allowed Ukrainian troops, sometime in the middle of the day, to get to this village Sen’kove where there is a bridge over the Oskil River. The the main road, which goes through Kup’yars’k and along the west side of the Oskil River supplying all of the Izyum Russian group, goes through Sen’kove. This road is severed at this point.
Then supplies have to go through Svatove, and this is really like much longer bypass. There is still bridge at Brova which we believe was destroyed by Ukraine troops, but we’re pretty sure that Russian military engineers repaired it, and there is another crossing. The point is the supply and logistics of Russian troops is definitely damaged, but they still can be supplied.
It would be strange if Ukrainian command and a reconnaissance unit didn’t get on the eastern side of a Oskil River and started to spread around to damage and try to do inflict as much damage to Russian supplies going through Brova.
The main significance, even if Ukraine troops don’t capture Kup’yars’k, they essentially achieved objective by just taking this village, Sen’kove, a little bit more south of Kup’yars’k.
At the same time they’re trying to put little pressure, but not too much pressure on Russian troops south of them. Based on our information Sovynsti is still in Russian hands. It’s very clear there was no objective to put a lot of pressure on these troops because essentially they are in the pocket.
At this point if Ukrainian commander troops managed to hold on to these gains then they are in pocket; there is no point of putting pressure on all of these troops. They will get suffocated due to the shortage of ammunition and fuel within 2-3days because the supply will go down. They will be forced to exit. That really virtually guarantees that a lot of equipment will be abandoned and many soldiers will also become prisoners of war.
There is another unit that we have identified which is 18th Russian D; there there are some parts of it operating here, we still don’t know full extent: if the entire unit here or just one regiment or to what extent it participates in all of this, and where the rest is.
The Russian counter offensive is probably going to be directed towards Sheychenkove in there north and most dangerous for Ukrainian side; the point is to reach this Balakliya. We’re pretty sure there will be some counter attack on the ninth.
2. Izyum bridgehead: No changes.
••UA commando are scouting the eastern part of the Russian line around Drovinka to Lyman, and it looks like there is not much there at all. Might be next area of UA attack.
3. North Donbas: No changes.
4. West of Donetsk: No changes.
5. Vugledar - Velyka Novosilka, Gulyapole: No changes.
6. Kherson bridgehead:
Ukrainian 28th B in the west was successful penetrating Russian defenses, not very deep just 2km; they captured initial strongholds. More interesting is that the resistance by the Russian 20th D wasn’t strong at all. The slight pressure of Ukrainian troops inflicted could be a sign of psychological breakdown among some of the Russian troops.
The most important difference is airborne troops have a strong fighting spirit and motivation and the special forces brigade too, but the regular Russian troops, there is some breakdown in morale going on.
Ukrainian command continues attacks on ferries: they destroyed another ferry; supply here is extremely severe, and that’s probably part of the reason why this attack also was successful because Russian artillery lacks ammunition to provide cover for the infantry. Without that Russian infantry is not willing to fight or put their lives at risk.
Compare and contrast:
Here the Ukrainian the command is a lot less skilled, the attacks are more typical Soviet attacks, more frontal attacks; there’s no flexibility in maneuver - for that reason, the losses here are higher relative to attack there in Kharkiv region where the losses are extremely low on Ukrainian side and the losses on the Russian side are pretty heavy, and especially heavy in equipment.
Or not.
Say, whatever happened to Kherson?
The PR stunt for more monies please work at the cost of 10K+ Ukrainian cannon-fodder casualties, craploads of military equipment lost that Ukraine can ill-afford to loss.
Again, what was the end result of the Battle of the Bulge and Kursk salient?
Yep.
The question that will get **crickets** on this thread...
The side that started the war lost.
Bad news for the Putin Stooges but they are busy winning at the Ardennes and Kursk for some stupid crazy reason.
Indeed. But lessons were learned that the Ukrainian’s have yet to have figured out despite their horrendous losses....
4th for the day - yea!
Remind what was the end outcome of the war between the USSR and Afghanistan?
Stock market is up, RuZZians are dying by the thousands every month.
Celebrate!
What was the end outcome of Afghanistan for the US?
From South now and North soon.
“Alexander Kots says Ukrainian forces are also attacking Russian positions south of Izyum.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568238498045460485
Already proven a falsehood that you purposely continue to throw around within FR.
If Russia is losing “thousands every month,” would really really hate to see the numbers for Ukrainian cannon-fodder losses per month. Oh wait.....
‘Ukrainian general estimates Kiev’s losses at hundreds of thousands since Feb’
https://tass.com/politics/1501881
US handed over country to Afghan forces and they collapsed.
The dirty RuZZians left 85 rubles worth of military equipment for the Taliban.
“thousands every month,”
That’s a fact, Jack. Suck it up.
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