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Some Facts You’re Not Hearing That Might Dampen Your Enthusiasm for a Shot of COVID-19 Vaccine
Red State ^ | 10/09/2020 | Michael Thau

Posted on 10/09/2020 8:01:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: catnipman

Wow—you are really good at false flags. I have never indicated that the science on global warming is clear because it is not. It is not based on any credible scientific theory

The vaccine(s) have gone through phase III trials, with minimal to no side effect. The exact same scientific process of all medicinal vaccines and treatments. The science is clear — mRNA cannot alter DNA as is breathlessly reported over and over again — please give me a scientific theory for how mRNA can alter DNA when mRNA is in fact PRODUCED from DNA. The mRNA is neither produced with nor has reverse transcriptase to integrate into the DNA — but if you understood actual science you would get this point.

Since you attack me, please provide evidence that a single thing I have said is “full of shit” and while your at it, please list your scientific credentials, your degrees in virology, medicine, molecular biology, or pathophysiology, and short of that, please admit that in fact, it is you who is full of shit.


21 posted on 10/09/2020 8:53:00 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Pontiac

because the antibody I specific to spike proteins. In the absence of a spoke protein, there is no immunological related destruction. Really, this is a question that is twisted like a pretzel, and barely intelligible.


22 posted on 10/09/2020 8:54:15 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

Would you please comment on the t-cell assertions and whether Dr. Fauci has been playing fast and loose with the percentage of the population which is at risk?


23 posted on 10/09/2020 9:04:16 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman

Sure
It is pretty clear that there is a period of IgG antibodies that prevent reinfection kn the immediate period that gradually diminished in about 90 days. There appears to be T cell (memory) immunity thereafter. It makes good sense from an immunology standpoint. It is also in T cell memory that there is probably partial immunity. It would explain and seem to fit why herd immunity should be reached at a lower infection rate than with a truly new species of infection

It is my opinion and judgment (for those who like to dunk on me yes this is my theory based on a lifetime of education) that Tcell immunity likely confers long term immunity and it has been shown to be stimulated by several of the vaccine lines. This is why I believe that the vaccines that have gone through phase three trials and have stimulated both antibodies and T cells are the real deal and safe for consumption as it replicates the natural or wild type response to this disease


24 posted on 10/09/2020 9:10:40 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

Thank you for the tcell explanation. Now, what about the assertion that Dr. Fauci is not reliable?


25 posted on 10/09/2020 9:29:57 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: gas_dr
As Mike Pence said, the vaccine will be here, and antivaxxers need to stop playing politics with peoples lives...

To paraphrase President Trump, "Don't be afraid of the vaccine. Don't let it dominate your life".

26 posted on 10/09/2020 9:30:53 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: SeekAndFind
It would take many many many paragraphs to counter this extreme bull shit.

I have not time nor desire to waste my efforts.

cpdiii Clinical Pharmacist

27 posted on 10/09/2020 9:52:56 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughhneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, old man, CONSTITUTION TO DIE FOR)
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To: TigersEye

LOL. Most excellent comment!!

My doctor knows I am not getting vaccinated for anything. Ever. He also knows that I’m keeping my immune system strong, won’t need vax.


28 posted on 10/09/2020 9:54:07 PM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: Fai Mao

Oh, well if its FREE then it must be legit! /s


29 posted on 10/09/2020 10:33:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: catnipman

Good post.


30 posted on 10/09/2020 10:43:47 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: gas_dr

From the article:

“Redfield’s CDC quietly asserted that they have blanket authority to:

[A]pprehend, detain, examine, quarantine, isolate, or conditionally release individuals for purposes of preventing communicable disease spread.”

What are your thoughts on this part?


31 posted on 10/09/2020 11:09:13 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: SeekAndFind

Long article but well worth reading.

When the next installment comes out, if you post that too, please ping me.


32 posted on 10/09/2020 11:37:23 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: gas_dr

Tell that to cuomo and others who murdered people by forcing nursing homes to accept infected patients thus murdering thousands of elderly folks.

If that had not happened, the death toll from this virus would be far less.

But that would not be useful in trying to control the masses and get Trump out of office.

All those people are just collateral damage in the dems bloodlust for power.


33 posted on 10/09/2020 11:40:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: TigersEye

Reads that way.

Reads like DU, too.


34 posted on 10/09/2020 11:41:03 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: norcal joe

Then read it another time.

It’s well worth it.


35 posted on 10/09/2020 11:41:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: Rembrandt

And you expect us to believe the FDA is telling us the truth????

Vioxx anyone????


36 posted on 10/09/2020 11:43:02 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: gas_dr; TigersEye

mRNA vaccines are deadly.


37 posted on 10/10/2020 12:25:18 AM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: SeekAndFind

ping


38 posted on 10/10/2020 12:45:02 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: SeekAndFind
On the frightening side: Two of the leading contenders in the race to produce a vaccine are using experimental technology that artificially stimulates an immune response by… hold on to your seats… genetically altering your cells with RNA from the virus so they start producing proteins from its outer shell.


39 posted on 10/10/2020 12:47:49 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: the_Watchman

Fauci in my judgment is an absolute political hack.


40 posted on 10/10/2020 4:08:45 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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