Posted on 04/02/2020 6:46:30 PM PDT by daniel1212
Thank you for this summary!
The Hospital ship has only 30 patients!
Welcome! There are others, but I needed to limit it to the primary ones.
Its no worse than the WuFlu, because thats what it is!
Covid-19 is real. The fear-mongering and useless predictions from experts and those in government are not. The following dire predictions and their current status are:
February 11, 2020: Coronavirus could infect 60% of global population if unchecked. Sarah Boseley, theguardian.com, based on comments by Hong Kongs leading public health epidemiologist - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population
Update : The global population is about 8,000,000,000 people. Sixty percent of that is 4,800,000,000. Currently, about 1,000,000 (0.00125%) people have been infected.
February 11, 2020: Could the new coronavirus really kill 50 million people worldwide? Michael LePage and Debora Mackenzie, newscientist.com, based on comments from Gabriel Leung, chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University - https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233085-could-the-new-coronavirus-really-kill-50-million-people-worldwide/
Update: 50,230 people worldwide have died from the virus.
March 7, 2020: Study: Best-Case Scenario 15M Dead, $2.4T GDP Hit Eric Mack, newsmax.com, based on comments from Australia National University economics professor Warwick McKibbin - https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gdp-death-epidemic-medical/2020/03/07/id/957321/
Update: There have been 50,230 fatalities.
March 11, 2020: Merkel warns Germany up to 70 percent of country could become infected- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856
Update: With a population of about 80,000,000, Ms. Merkel is predicting that 56,000,000 Germans will be infected. At an assumed Case Fatality Rate of 1%, 56,000 Germans will die. Currently, there have been 81,728 cases in Germany with 997 deaths.
March 12, 2020: The experts are telling us an average of 3,060 Americans will die every day through the end of this year
newsmax.com, referring to comments made by Andy Slavitt, the former Medicare, Medicaid chief for Barack Obama - https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/12/nolte-the-experts-coronavirus-death-toll-math-is-terrifying/
Update: Since the first US death on 2020/01/26, we have averaged about 84 fatalities per day.
March 17, 2020: Imperial College has advised the government on its response to previous epidemics, including SARS, avian flu and swine flu. With ties to the World Health Organization and a team of 50 scientists, led by a prominent epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson, Imperial is treated as a sort of gold standard, its mathematical models feeding directly into government policies.
The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the governments comparatively relaxed response to the virus.
American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public. - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/europe/coronavirus-imperial-college-johnson.html
Update: There have been 2,921 deaths in Britain and 5,150 in the United States.
March 20, 2020: We project that roughly 56 percent of our population 25.5 million people will be infected with the virus over an eight week period CA Governor Newsom, letter to the President - https://capitolweekly.net/newsom-more-than-half-in-ca-face-coronavirus-infection/
Update: If the death rate is 1.0%, 255,000 Californians will die 4,250 every day. Since January 1, 2020, there have been 9,937 infections and 216 deaths in CA.
March 21, 2020: Im definitely going to get it. We all are, N.J.s top health official says as she leads the states coronavirus war. - https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/im-going-to-get-it-we-all-are-njs-top-health-official-says-as-she-leads-the-states-coronavirus-war.html
Update: If 100% in NJ are infected, and 1% of those die, the NJ population of 9,000,000 will see 9,000 deaths from 9,000,000 infections.
Update: New Jersey has 22,255 infections and 355 deaths among a population of 9,000,000.
March 22, 2020: NYS Governor Andrew Cuomo predicts that 40% - 80% (of New Yorkers) will be infected by Covid-19. - https://twnews.us/us-news/ny-governor-says-up-to-80-of-state-will-get-coronavirus
Update: If 80% are infected and 1% of those die, the NYS population of 20,000,000 will see 160,000 deaths from 16,000,000 infections; Currently, 84,046 have been infected; there have been 2,220 fatalities.
March 26, 2020: In recent days, Cuomo has said the state will need to go from its current 53,000 hospital beds and 3,000 ICU beds up to 140,000 hospital beds, 40000 ICU beds, and provide a minimum of 30,000 ventilators to respond to the outbreak. Sydney Kashiqagi, - https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/with-coronavirus-spike-on-the-horizon-si-hospitals-to-increase-capacity-to-829-beds.html
Update: 9,775 people have been hospitalized.
Car accidents kill 30,000 people in the US each year. But that is fewer than 100 per day. Covid19 killed 968 people in the US yesterday. That’s a hell of a fender-bender!
Yes, and so you will all be confined to your room until it is safe to come out, which is never since over 7,000 Americans die every day.
the Lipsitch lie:
22 Feb: WaPo: Coronavirus outbreak edges closer to pandemic status
By Carolyn Y. Johnson, Lena H. Sun, William Wan and Joel Achenbach; Min Joo Kim in Seoul, Amanda Coletta in Washington and Chico Harlan and Stefano Pitrelli in Rome contributed to this report.
Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch estimates that 40 to 70 percent of the HUMAN population could potentially be infected by the virus if it becomes pandemic. Not all of those people would get sick, he noted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-edges-closer-to-pandemic/2020/02/21/03afafc0-5429-11ea-9e47-59804be1dcfb_story.html
Noah Feldman (of Trump impeachment notoriety) interviews Lipsitch. asks him about his caim in WaPo that “40 to 70 percent of the HUMAN population could potentially be infected”. Lipsitch says he should have said “40 to 70 percent of the ADULT population” and that he is trying to make amends for that! goes on to attack Trump etc.
Podcast 25:49 - 28 Feb: Deep Background with Noah Feldman: The Coronavirus Isn’t Going Away
Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at Harvard University, predicts that between 40 to 70 percent of adults in the world will become infected with the coronavirus
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/pushkin-industries/deep-background-with-noah-feldman/e/67663436
Lipsitch and Inglesby (from Event 201) with a veiled attack on the Trump Admin in WaPo:
27 Mar: WaPo: The U.S. is funding dangerous experiments it doesnt want you to know about
By Marc Lipsitch and Tom Inglesby
Marc Lipsitch is a professor of epidemiology and director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Tom Inglesby is director of the Center for Health Security and an environmental health and engineering professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-is-funding-dangerous-experiments-it-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about/2019/02/27/5f60e934-38ae-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html
24 Feb: NY Mag: Why the Trump Administrations Coronavirus Response Continues to Raise Concerns
By Matt Stieb and Chas Danner
How bad could it get? According to Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, in the event of a pandemic, 40 to 70 percent of the worlds population could eventually become infected...
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/what-we-know-about-the-trump-admins-response-to-coronavirus.html
NY Mag links to:
Tweet: Nils Gilman, Historian of the intelligentsia. Adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. VP of Programs @berggrueninst, Deputy Editor @TheWorldPost
This virus is going to be very difficult to contain, said Jeffrey @JeffreyShaman. Personally, I dont think we can do it.
Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch estimates that 40-70% of the human population could potentially be infected by the virus.
LINK WaPo
22 Feb 2020
https://twitter.com/nils_gilman/status/1231292898965999617
Lipsitch not making amends on CBS:
2 Mar: The Hill: Virus expert: As much as 70 percent of world’s population could get coronavirus
By Justine Coleman
A Harvard University epidemiologist says that as much as 70 percent of the worlds population could get the coronavirus.
Marc Lipsitch told CBS News in an interview airing Monday that “40 to 70 percent” of the global population could become infected with coronavirus and that its almost inevitable that the virus will impact the entire globe. He added that 1 percent of those who develop symptoms could die.
That is a projection, so we will find out if it’s accurate as things go on, Lipsitch said. It is the best estimate that I’ve been able to make based on a combination of the mathematical models that we use to track and predict epidemics....
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/485602-virus-expert-as-much-as-70-percent-of-worlds
Actually at over 39,404 in 2018 then it was around 108 at day, yet even at an average of 90 we are speaking about year round. If CV slays about 36,000 deaths per year in the US year after year, then you would have a valid comparison. Yet while precautions are in order, we do not engage in anything close to the long-term draconian measures to prevent over 36000 deaths per year.
Well, we do have this: Coronavirus: 'Open for business' Sweden sees daily death rate double in 24 hours, By Martin Williams. The nation which is bucking the European trend in the pandemic by resisting any lockdown has been hit by nearly 5000 Covid-19 cases and 239 fatalities - with 59 in the past 24 hours - the highest daily death toll to date. -
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18350722.coronavirus-open-business-sweden-sees-daily-death-rate-double-24-hours/
However, a one day report - which may include backlogged reports - does not make the case for draconian hobbling that alarmists demand.
how much contradiction is there in the following? 70% of humanity/human population is the message the public got.
Politifact: Viral image stated on March 10, 2020 in a Facebook post:
Says Harvard scientists say the coronavirus is spreading so fast that it will infect 70% of humanity this year.
An epidemiologist projects 40%-70% of adults could catch coronavirus in the coming year.
This post was flagged as part of Facebooks efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)
Spokespeople for Harvard University did not immediately reply to PolitiFacts emails asking about the post.
But news stories lend some credence to the Facebook posts claims and provide more information that the post fails to mention...
Mark Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at Harvards Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics and an expert on viruses, told CBS News, among other news outlets, that 40% to 70% of the worlds adult population could be infected in the coming year...
Other estimates are similar. The Guardian reported on Feb. 11 that 60% of the global population could be infected if the virus is unchecked. On Feb. 13, Bloomberg reported that Ira Longini, an adviser to the World Health Organization, said two-thirds of the worlds population could catch COVID-19...
Our ruling
The Facebook post says Harvard scientists say the coronavirus is “spreading so fast that it will infect 70% of humanity this year.”
An epidemiologist at the university has said that 40% to 70% of the worlds adult population could be infected in the coming year.
But that is a projection, and other projections vary.
We rate this post Half True.
Our sources: (includes)
CBS News, Coronavirus may infect up to 70% of worlds population, expert warns, March 2, 2020
The Hill, Harvard scientist: coronavirus pandemic likely will infect 40-70% of world this year, Feb. 16, 2020
Bloomberg, Coronavirus could infect two-thirds of globe, research shows, Feb. 13, 2020
The Guardian, Coronavirus could infect 60% of global population if unchecked, Feb. 11, 2020
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/11/viral-image/epidemiologist-projects-40-70-adults-could-catch-c/
Worldometers: Opinions on the coronavirus outbreak
I think it is likely we will see a global pandemic. If a pandemic happens, 40% to 70% of people world-wide are likely to be infected in the coming year. What proportion is asymptomatic, I can’t give a good number
Prof. Marc Lipsitch, Prof. of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health
Head, Harvard Ctr. Communicable Disease Dynamics
Feb. 14, 2020
It could infect 60% of global population if unchecked
Prof. Gabriel Leung, Expert on coronavirus epidemics, Chair of Public Health Medicine
Hong Kong University
Feb. 11, 2020
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-expert-opinions/
Bloomberg, whose school at John Hopkins ran Event 201 liked to push similar false claims:
14 Feb: Bloomberg: Coronavirus Could Infect Two-Thirds of Globe, Research Shows
By John Lauerman
So says Ira Longini, an adviser to the World Health Organization who tracked studies of the viruss transmissibility in China. His estimate implies that there could eventually be billions more infections than the current official tally of about 60,000...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/coronavirus-could-infect-two-thirds-of-globe-researcher-says
Lipsitch changed his tune with a TWEET!
2 Mar: Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health: The latest on the coronavirus
Coronavirus may infect up to 70% of worlds population, expert says (CBS News)
According to Marc Lipsitch, 40% to 70% of the worlds ADULT population could become infected with the new coronavirus, and of those, 1% could die from COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. (In a later TWEET, Lipsitch revised his estimates downward, to 20% to 60% of ADULTS becoming infected.)
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/the-latest-on-the-coronavirus/
Tweet: Marc Lipsitch
Because I am now less certain of where the R0 will end up (and how it may vary geographically) I am going to revise downward the range of outcomes I consider plausible to 20%-60% of adults infected. This involves subjectivity about what range of R0 may turn out to be true.
3 Mar 2020
https://twitter.com/mlipsitch/status/1234879949946814464
even so, Harvard Gazette can’t get the story straight. both projections are simpy made up, but there is a huge difference between percentages of adult or entire world population, so surely they can get it right:
4 Mar: Harvard Gazette: Coronavirus screening may miss two-thirds of infected travelers entering U.S.
by Alvin Powell
(Marc) Lipsitch revised downward his estimate of what proportion of the GLOBAL ADULT POPULATION will ultimately be infected by the virus, officially named SARS-CoV-2, to between 20 and 60 percent. He said that the wide range is an indication of continued uncertainty in the data, but that the downward revision from an earlier estimate of between 40 and 70 percent stemmed from lower estimates of the virus transmissibility.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/03/hundreds-of-u-s-coronavirus-cases-may-have-slipped-through-screenings/
20 Mar and the hallowed Harvard still gets it wrong:
20 Mar: Harvard Mag: COVID-19: An Emergency, and a Long-Term Challenge
by Jonathan Shaw
Lipsitch previously estimated that 20 percent to 60 percent of the GLOBAL POPULATION would likely become infected with the virus...
https://harvardmagazine.com/2020/03/lipsitch-call-to-action
garbage. but it did the job. got the public to panic.
Meaning since there is not estimate of those who show no symptoms or for the number that are tested, then any number can be assigned to those infected, since everyone on the planet could conceivably be infected, and thus the estimates cannot be said to be wrong. The science is settled.
For sure.
Thanks for doing that. I did not include the entire link, because I copied it from a three-page PowerPoint file I have been maintaining. I just give the top-level URL for simplicity in that file. I just might make what you posted a thread all by itself so people can comment with other false and fearful predictions.
And the 1000 bed hospital ship Mercy is treating 12 people 4/3/20.
Twelve. A dozen.
They were going to send all none WuFlu cases to Mercy. Guess there are no emergency room cases in New York now.
Yes, if you solicited a collection you could maybe create a concise selection as here How dangerous is the COVID-19 coronavirus? , by the grace of God.
Covid-19 is real. The fear-mongering and useless predictions from experts and those in government are not. The following dire predictions and their current status are:
February 11, 2020: Coronavirus ‘could infect 60% of global population if unchecked. Sarah Boseley, theguardian.com, based on comments by Hong Kongs leading public health epidemiologist
Update: The global population is about 8,000,000,000 people. Sixty percent of that is 4,800,000,000. Currently, about 1,413,415 (0.02%) people have been infected.
February 11, 2020: Could the new coronavirus really kill 50 million people worldwide? Michael LePage and Debora Mackenzie, newscientist.com, based on comments from Gabriel Leung, chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University
Update: 81,200 people worldwide have died from the virus.
March 7, 2020: Study: Best-Case Scenario 15M Dead, $2.4T GDP Hit Eric Mack, newsmax.com, based on comments from Australia National University economics professor Warwick McKibbin
Update: There have been 12,474 fatalities.
March 11, 2020: Merkel warns Germany ‘up to 70 percent of country could become infected www.thelocal.de
Update: With a population of about 80,000,000, Ms. Merkl is predicting that 56,000,000 Germans will be infected. At an assumed Case Fatality Rate of 1%, 56,000 Germans will die. Currently, there have been 107,458 cases in Germany with 1,893 deaths.
March 12, 2020: The experts are telling us an average of 3,060 Americans will die every day through the end of this year
newsmax.com, referring to comments made by Andy Slavitt, the former Medicare, Medicaid chief for Barack Obama
Update: Since the first US death on 2020/01/26, we have averaged about 181 fatalities per day.
March 17, 2020: Imperial College has advised the government on its response to previous epidemics, including SARS, avian flu and swine flu. With ties to the World Health Organization and a team of 50 scientists, led by a prominent epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson, Imperial is treated as a sort of gold standard, its mathematical models feeding directly into government policies.
The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the governments comparatively relaxed response to the virus.
American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public.
Update: There have been 6,159 deaths in Britain and 12,474 in the United States.
March 20, 2020: We project that roughly 56 percent of our population 25.5 million people will be infected with the virus over an eight week period CA Governor Newsom, letter to the President
Update: If the death rate is 1.0%, 255,000 Californians will die 4,250 every day. Since January 1, 2020, there have been 16,363 infections and 388 deaths in CA.
March 21, 2020: Im definitely going to get it. We all are, N.J.s top health official says as she leads the states coronavirus war. nj.comUpdate: If 100% in NJ are infected, and 1% of those die, the NJ population of 9,000,000 will see 9,000 deaths from 9,000,000 infections.Update: New Jersey has 41,090 infections and 1,003 deaths among a population of 9,000,000.
March 22, 2020: NYS Governor Andrew Cuomo predicts that 40% - 80% (of New Yorkers) will be infected by Covid-19. cnn.com
Update: If 80% are infected and 1% of those die, the NYS population of 20,000,000 will see 160,000 deaths from 16,000,000 infections; Currently, 131,830 have been infected; there have been 4,758 fatalities.
March 26, 2020: In recent days, Cuomo has said the state will need to go from its current 53,000 hospital beds and 3,000 ICU beds up to 140,000 hospital beds, 40000 ICU beds, and provide a minimum of 30,000 ventilators to respond to the outbreak. Sydney Kashiqagi, silive.com
Update: 19,177 people have been hospitalized. Unsure of how many are still hospitalized.
Notes:
1. All underlines in the above were added by the author to make comparisons between predictions and reality.
2. The original document that contains this information is in PowerPoint. Therefore, only the top-level URL is stated for aesthetic purposes. For the full URLs, refer to Post http://freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=3831178,45.
Covid-19 is real. The fear-mongering and useless predictions from experts and those in government are not. The following dire predictions and their current status are:
February 11, 2020: Coronavirus could infect 60% of global population if unchecked. Sarah Boseley, theguardian.com, based on comments by Hong Kongs leading public health epidemiologist
Update: The global population is about 8,000,000,000 people. Sixty percent of that is 4,800,000,000. Currently, about 1,413,415 (0.02%) people have been infected.
February 11, 2020: Could the new coronavirus really kill 50 million people worldwide? Michael LePage and Debora Mackenzie, newscientist.com, based on comments from Gabriel Leung, chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University
Update: 81,200 people worldwide have died from the virus.
March 7, 2020: Study: Best-Case Scenario 15M Dead, $2.4T GDP Hit Eric Mack, newsmax.com, based on comments from Australia National University economics professor Warwick McKibbin
Update: There have been 12,474 fatalities.
March 11, 2020: Merkel warns Germany up to 70 percent of country could become infected www.thelocal.de
Update: With a population of about 80,000,000, Ms. Merkl is predicting that 56,000,000 Germans will be infected. At an assumed Case Fatality Rate of 1%, 56,000 Germans will die. Currently, there have been 107,458 cases in Germany with 1,893 deaths.
March 12, 2020: The experts are telling us an average of 3,060 Americans will die every day through the end of this year
newsmax.com, referring to comments made by Andy Slavitt, the former Medicare, Medicaid chief for Barack Obama
Update: Since the first US death on 2020/01/26, we have averaged about 181 fatalities per day.
March 17, 2020: Imperial College has advised the government on its response to previous epidemics, including SARS, avian flu and swine flu. With ties to the World Health Organization and a team of 50 scientists, led by a prominent epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson, Imperial is treated as a sort of gold standard, its mathematical models feeding directly into government policies.
The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the governments comparatively relaxed response to the virus.
American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public.
Update: There have been 6,159 deaths in Britain and 12,474 in the United States.
March 20, 2020: We project that roughly 56 percent of our population 25.5 million people will be infected with the virus over an eight week period CA Governor Newsom, letter to the President
Update: If the death rate is 1.0%, 255,000 Californians will die 4,250 every day. Since January 1, 2020, there have been 16,363 infections and 388 deaths in CA.
March 21, 2020: Im definitely going to get it. We all are, N.J.s top health official says as she leads the states coronavirus war. nj.comUpdate: If 100% in NJ are infected, and 1% of those die, the NJ population of 9,000,000 will see 9,000 deaths from 9,000,000 infections.Update: New Jersey has 41,090 infections and 1,003 deaths among a population of 9,000,000.
March 22, 2020: NYS Governor Andrew Cuomo predicts that 40% - 80% (of New Yorkers) will be infected by Covid-19. cnn.com
Update: If 80% are infected and 1% of those die, the NYS population of 20,000,000 will see 160,000 deaths from 16,000,000 infections; Currently, 131,830 have been infected; there have been 4,758 fatalities.
March 26, 2020: In recent days, Cuomo has said the state will need to go from its current 53,000 hospital beds and 3,000 ICU beds up to 140,000 hospital beds, 40000 ICU beds, and provide a minimum of 30,000 ventilators to respond to the outbreak. Sydney Kashiqagi, silive.com
Update: 19,177 people have been hospitalized. Unsure of how many are still hospitalized.
Notes:
1. All underlines in the above were added by the author to make comparisons between predictions and reality.
2. The original document that contains this information is in PowerPoint. Therefore, only the top-level URL is stated for aesthetic purposes. For the full URLs, refer to Post http://freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=3831178,45.
Quite a collection, thanks, although your bottom link just sends me to a comment box.
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