I hope at some point in school you saw a variation of this.
Posted on 12/04/2019 7:20:36 AM PST by detective
The swamp draining starts at the ballot box and will end at bullet box.
Drain the Swamp is a battle cry, not a campaign promise relying solely on one man.
Let me help you out:
“I cant answer your questions”
I dont need more paragraphs where you attempt to dazzle with bullsh*t.
that is why you’ve spent the better part of a day screaming and sounding like a snob. You cannot answer straight questions, and cannot admit that your premise is baseless.
Now how about you get back to the question I asked, or are we going to be entertained with some more boomer ranting and George Will level quips?
The questions you have asked are irrelevant to the discussion at hand, that is the problem with you, you are being unnecessarily obdurate. Let me know when you want to discuss the Executive vs Judicial branch, the Constitutional power relationship between the two and injunctions by lower federal court judges against Presidential EO’s.
I agree.
But the swamp is not being drained.
And the swamp is organized and working to destroy President Trump.
President Trump can not do it alone. He is doing a great job but needs people to fight for him in the war that is now being fought against him in Washington.
“The questions you have asked are irrelevant to the discussion at hand, that is the problem with you, you are being unnecessarily obdurate.”
And you still cant answer them.
” Let me know when you want to discuss the Executive vs Judicial branch, the Constitutional power relationship between the two and injunctions by lower federal court judges against Presidential EO’s.”
We just did.
You think that it is unconstitutional because the rules are different because that person is the president. That a court injunction doesn’t really mean what an injunction is, that you think a judge makes rulings out of thin air, and not because there was an actual lawsuit before him, that the judge is actually a “plaintiff” and has to sue the president to make him follow his rulings (that one was a real hoot). Then later on you contradicted yourself and said why yes you can bring suit.....making all of your “arguments” completely void!
” that is the problem with you”. You think you are so smart, but you cant even follow your own previous statements, and get really mad because I can ask simple questions, watch you not be able to answer them, and then watch you meltdown into a bunch of 4th rate jabs.
Oh well. You should apply as a WH lawyer since you obviously have a legal argument that apparently no one else has been dumb enough...uh, as brilliant as you to use!
A court ordered injunction is not a ruling on the merits of a case. It is a cease cease and desist order only. You are not really a lawyer are you?
I am not arguing with you that a lower court has the right to challenge and any and all Presidential EO's. Of couse they have that right. It goes without saying. What I am saying is when they ( lower court judge and/or plaintiff ) issues an injunction against a sitting President's EO that is crossing the line and is unconstitutional. That is usurping Presidential powers. It's gone on too long. This ( an injunction ) has no bearing on the merits of the pending case itself.
If they ( lower court judges/plaintiffs ) want to stop the President then take it all the way to SCOTUS. We the people cannot allow lower courts stripping the Presidents authority. We the people recognize SCOTUS as an equal authority and only there is where a cease and desist order should be handed down in this situation and where the challenge is adjudicated and not in some Hawaiian court room for example.
“What I am saying is when they ( lower court judge and/or plaintiff ) issues an injunction against a sitting President’s EO that is crossing the line and is unconstitutional. “
Well, it isnt. It has not been for the decades it has, under multiple presidents, brought by both sides.
Now can Trump take the issues to SCOTUS on an individual basis to argue the merits, and that the injunction is unwarranted. That’s what he is doing. He isnt demanding that SCOTUS issue a ruling making the very act of issuing an injunction against an EO unconstitutional. That is not something you are going to want when some future president issues an EO on guns.
You are saying it is ok to bring the suit....but the result of the suit is just a ruling, with no adverse effects to the administration.
So if a lower court said DACA was unconstitutional and issued an injunction, you would (because you keep ducking the question) have to say outright that the injunction was unconstitutional and that DACA should proceed.
“We the people cannot allow lower courts stripping the Presidents authority. We the people recognize SCOTUS as an equal authority”
The constitutions spells out at no point that SCOTUS has the ability to do anything, actually.
But the results of SCOTUS likely slapping all of these challenges down will at least discourage courts and activists from wasting time on it.
You don't bring an injunction. An injunction is handed down. It's an edict. A demand under threat of arrest. It's a lower federal judge demanding his boss, the President, do something the judge wants. It's authoritarian act with the Judicatory controlling the Executive and it needs to stop. It is not in the Constitution and the fact it's been "done for decades" proves that it is not in the Constitution. Again, it needs to stop. Trump is wrong here by listening to wrong headed "lawyers". He needs to ignore these injunction and bring this to a head.
” It’s a lower federal judge demanding his boss, the President, do something the judge wants”
So the judiciary went from co-equal branches, to the executive being “his boss”?
“It is not in the Constitution and the fact it’s been “done for decades” proves that it is not in the Constitution.”
Neither are the powers of the Supreme Court, whom are supposed to decide the issue?
But you cannot mount a defense that an injunction is unconstitutional because it will get laughed out the room.
People with a lot more knowledge of constitutional law have never attempted such a thing, no conservative SCOTUS member have never shown any leanings that it has merit.
>He needs to ignore these injunction and bring this to a head.
And he will likely lose on the issue, and you cant just ignore it then.
The Judiciary, in this case a lower federal court judge, is not a co-equal. OTH the SCOTUS is equal to the President, get it? How do you rationalize that a lower Federal court handing an injunction to stop the PRESIDENT not an abuse of Judicial power?
But you cannot mount a defense that an injunction is unconstitutional because it will get laughed out the room.
An injunction against who, the President? Everyone I know thinks it is insane. Only sicko in the brain lawyer types are good with this power grab with lower court dictating over the President. It's a power thing. One day, God willing, all of this will change and sanity will prevail. I hope I live long enough to see it.
I saw this and it still does not make an injunction by a lower Federal court stopping Presidential Executive Action Constitutional. “It’s been done for decades” is not the right answer.
You erroneously said the president was the lower courts boss and only SCOTUS was an “equal” whatever that means. They are obviously co-equal and seperate branches.
““It’s been done for decades” is not the right answer.”
Ok...is a lie?
This is what I think...
Watch the Ali—Foreman fight, and, if you get a chance, watch the incredible documentary: When We Were Kings. Here’s the highlights of the greatest fight ever— “The Rumble in the Jungle.” George Foreman was undefeated and MASSIVE. Ali was a 4 to 1 underdog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVseoF1-p3M
Of note, the fight happened in Africa. Ali moved to Africa, trained there, and spent time building a fan base. Throughout the fight the crowd was chanting “Ali, Boomaye!” “Ali, kill him!”
* Build a movement to cheer you on.
Ali trained for a prolonged fight, and bragged about “dancing.” Ali was known for his elusiveness, and was trashed by many in the press for not being able to take a punch. When the fight came, Ali did not dance.
* Use deception. * Be unpredictable.
At the beginning of the fight, and all throughout the fight, Ali TRIED to piss off Foreman. He taunted him. He verbally jibed him. Foreman responded by trying to crush Ali with knock out blows. Anger releases cortisol. Cortisol stiffens the body. A stiff body sustains more damage when hit. (Punches hurt.) A stiff body experiences slower reaction times, and diminished judgement. (Punches land.) A stiff body cannot punch as hard. Sun Tzu, “If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him.”
* Control your opponent’s emotions. * Destabilize them. * Remain loose. * Have fun. * Fight your fight. * Work your plan.
The ROPE A DOPE. Foreman uses all his energy on Ali, Ali, remains flexible and uses the ropes and his flexible body to disperse the energy and remain unharmed.
* Let them punch themselves out. * Let them waste their energy. * Keep taunting them. * Be patient.
Round 8, Ali knocks out the giant. A perfectly planned and executed flurry of punches.
* Timing is everything.
It could be Trump is not the man I believe him to be. It could be that Trump will allow these globalist traitors to beat him. I don’t think so.
It is my belief we are late in round 7, or possibly round 8. I trust Trump, he is an American Hero. He is a genius. He is a master of war.
(Read: Trump The Martial Artist on Amazon.)
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