Stalin’s NKVD and Hitler’s Gestapo Cooperated Closely Even Before Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

Eurasia - New Series ^ | Jan 12, 2019

[rrrod]

New Germany/Russia same as old Germany/Russia.

[353FMG]

Evil attracting evil.

[robowombat]

Interesting. Stalin aside being a clinical paranoid was obsessed with eliminating anyone in the Communist movement who had experience living and working outside the USSR. The killing of almost every Soviet officer who served in Spain during the Civil War is a good example. These men had real time experience in commanding military forces outside the control net of the Soviet Union so to Stalin they were doubly not to be trusted.

During the Great Purge most foreign Communist who had taken refuge in the USSR were either shot or disappeared into the GULAG. What was left were to be totally subservient Staliniods such as Walter Ulbricht who would be simply Stalin's loyal puppets. Hardly surprising that Stalin would get rid of some of these ‘unreliable’ elements in this fashion. I'm sure he got a chuckle out of it.

[Telepathic Intruder]

Nazi Germany’s death camps were copied directly from the Soviet system of Gulags. “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was a Russian fraud adopted by the Nazis to promulgate hatred of Jews. There are more than just parallels. There are direct links between the Nazis and the Soviets.

[SunkenCiv]

Beginning well before 1939 and continuing right up to the German invasion, the Soviet secret police sent “hundreds” of refugees to their imprisonment, torture and in many cases death at the hands of the Gestapo. At first, it involved mostly German citizens; but later, this “cooperation” expanded to include others as well.

Thanks CondoleezzaProtege.

[nwrep]

Let’s not be too eager to believe everything we read. That part of the world has been a hotbed of lies, distortion, and misinformation. Remember the Protocols of The Elders of Zion?

[jmacusa]

What you describe is what hard core Russian Communists called ‘cosmopolitanism''. The accusation of having lived among the ''bourgeois'' and having become ''infected'' with ''bourgeois ideals''.

[bravo whiskey]

The Germans paid Lenin to overthrow the tsar and, later, the provisional government. Without German financial backing the bolsheviks were nothing

[an amused spectator]

The NKVD were a particularly nasty crew of criminal gunthugs.

Read up on Vasily Blokhin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

[Electric Graffiti]

I believe they covered this in the documentary, ‘The Soviet Story’

I would provide a link but Youtube has scrubbed/censored it.

[robowombat]

I think Artur London in his book ‘The Confession’ notes that he was doubly damned being both a Jew and having spent a long time outside the Soviet Block. He even was in France for the entire period 1939 to 1945 and was a member of the Resistance. He also married a French woman. It is amazing he survived. His book is very interesting . Incredibly the film made by the near communist Costa-Garvas in 1970 is true to the book and the most extended cinema treatment of communist interrogation methods and what a ‘purge’ trial really looked like.

I suppose because these were all Czechs involved London didn't have the hell beaten out of him as the Russians were very fond of doing. The Czech methods were less violent but no less sadistic.

[Tijeras_Slim]

The Freikorps were working with Russia in the 20’s IIRC.

[dfwgator]

Stalin did not want a strong German Communist Party. He knew if the Communists took over Germany, they would inevitably rival Moscow for leadership in the world Communist movement. So Stalin was more than happy to let Hitler eliminate the KPD.

[dfwgator]

Judge Roland Freisler, who headed the Nazi “People’s Court”, started out as a Bolshevik, who got inspiration from Stalin’s 1930s show trials.

[dfwgator]

Also I find it curious that Stalin, basically let Hitler waltz into the parts of the Soviet Union, where the majority of their Jews lived.

It’s as if he knew Hitler would take care of his own “Jewish Problem” for him.

[jmacusa]

All most of of the two million Russians prisoners left alive at the end of the war were outcasts in Russian society because they had surrendered so hundreds of thousands of them went from German concentration camps straight to Soviet gulags because among other things or more specifically they had been to the ‘’lair of the fascist beasts’’ They had been exposed to ‘’cosmopolitanism’’. The truth was anyone with eyes, once they were outside “The Workers Paradise’’ could see how much they had been lied to. How much better the standard of living was in the capitalist West as opposed to life in The Soviet Union.

I remember reading Viktor Blenenko’s “MiG Pilot’’ and how he talked about as a child in his rural Russian village there were Russian war vets, who had returned as former POWs and were ostracized from the village because they had ‘’betrayed the Motherland’’. The poor souls were forced to fend for themselves. They were referred to as ‘’the men of the forest’’.

[dfwgator]

Stalin also looked upon anyone from Leningrad with contempt.

The Leningrad Affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leningrad_affair

[gaijin]

A lot of finance for the Bolsheviks also came from certain quaters of Wall Street.

In fact, Trotsky lived in the Bronx while editing Novy Mir, a newspaper there, and Trotsky’s kids went to the local public schools.

Trotsky’s real name was Lev David Lev Bronshtein.

[gaijin]

Lev David Bronshtein, rather. Sorry.