Posted on 05/11/2017 11:36:09 AM PDT by RArtfulogerDodger
What? You mean spend money that would otherwise go to corporate profit or Congressional vote buying schemes?
Anyone???
It isn’t the lines that are at risk. It is the circuitry.
The article I linked included:
Other known effects of Test 184 were that it knocked out a major 1000-kilometer (600-mile) underground power line running from Astana (then called Aqmola), now the capital city of Kazakhstan, to the city of Almaty. Some fires were reported. In the city of Karaganda, the EMP started a fire in the city's electrical power plant, which was connected to the long underground power line. The shielded electrical cable was buried 3 feet (90 cm.) underground. The geomagnetic-storm-like E3 component of the EMP (also called MHD-EMP) can easily penetrate into the ground. The E3 component of the Test 184 detonation (caused by the movement of the Earth's magnetic field) began rising immediately after the detonation, but did not reach its peak until 20 seconds after the detonation. The E3 pulse then decayed over the next minute or so. The E3 component only affects equipment connected to long electrical conductors.
So, the answer is that even shielded cables, unless buried very deeply, are vulnerable to EMP.
Does having a decent knowledge of physics count as forethought?
Seriously, if you are going to quote Sun Tzu at me in an attempt to refute a scientific argument, you don’t really have a grasp of the technical aspects of this issue.
I possess three different translations of The Art of War. Sun Tzu discusses the use of nuclear weapons in exactly none of them. What, however, does he say about giving your enemy too much credit?
That’s interesting. I had thought that military bases burying of electrical lines was to protect them from EMP. Guess not, or if they were attempting to do that, I guess it won’t work anyway.
Not when suicide bombing is part of their culture and looked at as a heroic act.
Right on. We live in a very unpleasant world.
That’s right. They don’t care how many millions of people they lose.
There is a dedicated little cadre of “EMP-deniers” on FR. If they’re not already on this thread, I’ll bet they will be soon.
>> I’ve always wondering burying electrical lines underground would protect them from EMP <<
Unlikely. It’s primarily the super-high-voltage transformers that are most vulnerable, not the lines themselves.
We wouldn’t be able to post anything at freerepublic.com
To calenal and miniTAX especially:
You both need to find out more facts regarding nuclear-generated EMP before you so cavalierly dismiss its effects, or what North Korea could do to this country. To be sure, just as you are both pretty dismissive, there are others who think that any EMP at all will be TEOTWAWKI. Check out this article - the single most informative that I have yet seen - for some objective facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse
FACT: nuclear EMP produces 3 different pulses - E1, E2 and E3. E1 is what you worry about most - it occurs over less than 1,000 nanoseconds, far faster than any surge protectors can work. It can, in fact, fry or partially degrade the surge protectors that WOULD, otherwise, protect against the slower E2 pulse (which is more akin to lightening and, standing alone, very easy to protect against). E3 is most akin to a solar-produced geomagnetic storm, and occurs over as much as hundreds of seconds. This will travel on long electrical lines for hundreds of miles, and fry transformers along the way and at the ends (even buried ones - take a look at the write-up on Soviet Test 184 in PreciousLiberty’s Post #25).
FACT: The strength of an E1 pulse is NOT highly correlated with the strength of the blast of a nuclear weapon. A 10 KT fission bomb can produce 40% of the power of the E1 pulse from the 1.44 MT Starfish Prime event, and that is without “tuning” the weapon to produce more gamma rays (which is what causes the effects that we are discussing). Fusion weapons can, in fact, severely limit the Compton Effect, which is responsible for a lot of the E1’s ability to cause damage. A lot of the impact of the E1 pulse is do to the Compton Effect, which not only helps to intensify the pulse, but makes it effective pretty much for all areas within line of site (hence the reason for a high altitude explosion).
FACT: the E3 pulse IS largely dependent upon the strength of the blast...but once you have had the previous E1 pulse to KO electronic circuitry, followed by the E2 pulse that will, because of the previous E1 pulse, have largely rendered surge protectors ineffective, the E3 pulse will thus be much more difficult to protect against. Keep this in mind also: if the Sun produced a geomagnetic storm, we’d have a day or so of warning, and could literally shut down a lot of the grid to reduce its effects; in a planned attack, no such warning would be available...and no one would be able to make phone calls at all (let alone fast enough to matter) to warn utilities to shut down (which is, to understate the matter considerably, not so simple or fast as flicking your house lights off - especially with nuclear power plants). Thus, E3 is a BIG problem (but generally only with a large nuclear explosion).
In short, guys, we all need to look at FACTS, not some preconceived notions about how EMP works. It isn’t necessarily TEOTWAWKI, but neither is it a nothingburger.
Me? I’m a believer. Israel would do the same to Iran
Yes. Good info.
Agreed.,
The experts did mention hydrogen bombs. It’s a question of a different type of detonator. And you can bet whatever N. Korea has, Iran has.
That’s the worst part and probably The Plan
I’ve nticed there are many here who know more than even former CIA director Robert James Woolsey Jr and US Congressional EMP Task Force director Dr. Peter Vincent Pry. It’s impresssssive, OB1....to be in such wise company.
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