Just some opinions on climate change etc...

GraceG

[DaveA37]

I thought “climate change” was a dead horse, why keep beating it?

[bar sin·is·ter]

Apparently that dead horse still emits CO2 according to liberals.

[palmer]

No, not an opinion, but also not a "fact". It is merely a well-supported hypothesis. If mankind were not around the natural ocean warming after the Little Ice Age would have produced about 5-10 ppm rise in CO2. That's based on 1C of deep ocean warming and well supported gas diffusion laws. What we have seen instead is a much higher rise in CO2, 5-10 ppm every few years, which cannot be due to ocean warming. If not ocean warming, then it could be deforestation, and that is indeed part of the rise. Another possibility is volcanic actiity. The big volcanoes don't emit that much CO2 but there are 1000's of smaller volcanoes and CO2 vents of various sorts.

To support volcano hypothesis, one must show why volanic activity started up around 1850-1950, why it is much higher today than in the past, why it was not happening in the last 20k years for which we have good data (annual resolution ice cores).

It's a real stretch to say the CO2 is natural from volcanoes and basically impossible to be from warming. That leaves fossil and biosphere, and that is the current consensus.

[cpdiii]

>> Did you like my comment about dinosaurs running around on fire?

They all wore Nomex suits like race car drivers.

[SgtHooper]

LOL!

[Bob434]

no it isn’t palmer- man’s respionsibility amounts to 3.8% of the TOTAL amount of all greenhosue gases and CO2- naqtural and manmade- that amount is 0.04%

3.8% of 0.04% = 0.00136% of the atmosphere

[Bob434]

sorry- that should have read 3.4% of 0.04% = 0.00136%

Some have the estimate of man’s release of CO2 up to 3.8- but most sites state it’s around 3.4%

[Bob434]

[[EPA document supports ~3% of atmospheric carbon dioxide is attributable to human sources]]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/29/epa-document-supports-3-of-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-is-attributable-to-human-sources/

[[Carbon dioxide consists of a carbon atom covalently double bonded to two oxygen atoms. It occurs naturally in Earth’s atmosphere as a trace gas at a concentration of about 0.04 percent (400 ppm) by volume.]]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

There are several sites that give very similar numbers- even the IPCC statements are close to these figure I believe- No matter which figures you use- the Bottom line is that man’s release of CO2 is so ridiculously small that there is no way it can affect global climate- There is no thick blanket of CO2 covering the earth preventing CO2 from leaving and ca causing catastrophic warming

What little does get absorbed by CO2 released by man is such a small figure that it almost instantly reaches equilibrium the moment it gets radiated out- it is so small that it is instantly overwhelmed by the massive amount of cooler atmosphere- Very much like dumping 4 5 gallon pails of water of 100degree water into an olympic sized pool of 95 degree water would instantly nearly reach equilibrium because it is overwhelmed by the massive volume of cooler pool water

man’s respionsibility amounts to 3.4% (Being generous) of the TOTAL amount of all greenhosue gases and CO2- naqtural and manmade- that amount is 0.04%

3.4% of 0.04% = 0.00136% of the atmosphere is CO2 due to man

[GraceG]

[ At 180PPM CO2 plant life begins to die off quickly. ]

But we need to take "carbon" pollution down to zero....

even if we end all life on the planet... for the planet....

[GraceG]

[ Geo-Engineering (from space) can reduce or increase the Earth’s temperatures using a mylar net, mylar particles, or a “Space Mirror”. So, can we all agree as to what temperature would we like Earth to be?

I doubt it. :-/ ]

You see once we build such a system, we would NEED world government because then we would all be fighting over the thermostat!

[GraceG]

[ I just expelled some greenhouse gases from my posterior. Does that make me an enemy of the state? ]

Yus, and ze vill hunt yus down like the kapitalist pig dog yus are!

[GraceG]

[ I remember the words of Hillary when this Climate Change cr** started. Gore became the designated hitter.

Hillary said this Climate Cr** was to engage younger future voters and they sure have marketed it to them from the Penguin walk to Green shirts at school.

Gonna write a children’s book....Facts and Farts!! ]

I wanna write a children’s book too, “Og and the burning dinosaurs”, damned them cavemen and their CO2 producing campfires!

Chapter Sample:

Og used the deadly white male oppression tool known as fire to cook the critter meat he viciously killed because he is a member of the patriarchy.

Later that day the CO2 level in earths atmosphere went from 300PPM to 301PPM and the dinosaurs immediately burst into flames due to the catastrophic climate change.... THE END

[Bob434]

palmer- you’re the math science guy- and I’ve been meanign to ask you the following:

What volumep0- weight of heated air molecules is produced by 0.00136% of the atmosphere?

The atmosphere weighs roughly 6 quadrillion tons- what is hte actual weight of heated molecules created by man’s CO2?

This is pretty important to know- also improtant ot know- is how much of the heat actually remains in the atmosphere OR gets radiated back to earth? As you know, the heat gets radiated out in all directions- most of it away from the extremely thin ‘belt of CO2’ where it won’t get recaptured continually- only a fraction of the captured IR remains in the ‘critical zone’

But i would like ot know, if possible, what the weight of that heated molecules in the ‘correct zones’ (assuming ‘correct’ means zones where they cause warming) would be-

IF science can’t answer this- then they have no right claiming that man’s released CO2 is causing warming- because they don’t know how much weight is actually heated with which to compare it to the total weight of atmosphere- IF they do know, then they can calculate how much warming is actually a direct result of that volume of heated molecules

Am I wording this ok? My thoughts sometimes don’t translate to writing well- but my basic premise is (I’ll attempt to simplify it) is that a certain amount of molecules need to be warmed in order to overpower the massive cooler molecules in atmosphere and back on earth, in order for there to be enough heated volume to raise the temperature-

like the pool example in my previous post- the pool water would not change UNTIL enough 5 gallon pails of 100 degree water were added to actually start raising the pool’s 95 degree temperature- it woudl certainly take a LOT more than 0.00136% of the pool’s volume to affect change-

NOTE- someone figured out that 4 5 gallon pails would be the equivalent of 0.00136% of the Olympic sized pool- Can’t remember now who it was- but it was someone here on FR responding to one of my posts awhile back- they did the calculations and figured it out to 4 five gallon pails I believe - but you can picture what I’m talking about in regards to mass/volume by this analogy- The heat produced by just 0.00136% of the atmosphere simply can not be a large enough volume to affect the temp of the atmosphere- there simply isn’t enough CO2 to do so-

[Bob434]

[[we would all be fighting over the thermostat!]]

LOL- you women (I assume your handle means you are female?) would be constantly turning it up, and we men would be sneakily turning it back down when you weren’t looking :)

[GraceG]

[[we would all be fighting over the thermostat!]]

LOL- you women (I assume your handle means you are female?) would be constantly turning it up, and we men would be sneakily turning it back down when you weren’t looking :)

Does this mean Al Gore is a Misogynist?

Yes I am of the female freeper variety, a spicy one at that.