Manchin Says He’s Studying Canadian Style Single Payer. Why Hasn’t Bernie Introduced Single Payer?

Morgan County USA ^ | March 16, 2017

[arthurus]

Politicians “studying” SP appreciate how it works for the governing elite and how it secures more poor folks’ votes while it makes more folks poor.

[arthurus]

Americans, at least pre-obamacare, got two and a half times as much and two and a half times better medical care. Eliminate the government from Medicine and Insurance and in a couple of years the USA will have almost all of the world’s best physicians and will be doing a booming business in treatment of foreigners as well as being more available to all Americans than any government “assisted” or controlled system could possibly and certainly more and better than the SP systems now in effect.

[arthurus]

England and Canada’s systems deliberately delay many critical and necessary services until a probably calculated portion of the applicants have died of their problems in order to save money.

[arthurus]

I believe they also count things differently.

[arthurus]

I had a similar experience with my knee. I was in rehab by the end of the next week and at home three days later with the exercise equipment. After much experience of such things- broke leg or knee four times and one knee replaced- I do most of my own rehab. I did need the knee machine, though.

[BlackbirdSST]

“It’s much different what we have today,” Manchin said. “In Canada, if you abuse it, you lose it. They are not going to let you come every day to a doctor.”

When you are fighting Cancer and or other deadly stuff, daily visits are almost mandatory. Get a clue!!!

[Gay State Conservative]

I had a similar experience with my knee. I was in rehab by the end of the next week and at home three days later with the exercise equipment.

Sounds like you had a pretty good (if not very good) experience.The point I was trying to make in my post is that I,an ordinary middle class American,had to wait about 2 weeks to get a treatment that Canadians wait 6 months for....if they're lucky!

[arthurus]

He suggested it in his campaign early.He is a businessman. He is a developer, of course which makes some things different but businesses would prefer single payer because it takes the expense of employee medical care off their shoulders.
Better for that one aspect would be for the tax benefits to employee "insurance" be removed and the o-care mandate for employer paid insurance to go away. That thing goes back to FDR and wage/price controls. During the war with controls on employers were not allowed to compete for scarce workers with higher pay. FDR did allow them to provide medical insurance partially tax free i.e. employees did not have to treat it as income. The big companies that were overflowing with war contracts competed for skills with medical insurance. That system was not terminated when controls came off in Eisenhower's first years.

[arthurus]

Single Payer would negate all the economic good his other changes would do. It must raise taxes sharply. It will be called Premiums but taxes are taxes no matter what you call them.

[Rurudyne]

The left don’t need no stinkin’Constitution!

[Bookwoman]

I live in western NY, and Canadians come here for their healthcare because they can’t get scheduled for serious operations needed ASAP for many months - or they can’t get appointments at all. Horrible system.

[JayGalt]

No he did not. I researched it extensively, early in this campaign cycle since it would have been a deal breaker for me.
What he said years before this campaign is that single payer had worked in Scotland because it is a sparsely populated country with very few medical infrastructure or demand to encourage private investment. He said there might have been a time that single payer would have been a solution in America but that was many years ago when America was less developed.

That was an opinion of a man who was a private citizen and many years ago. Since then he has become much more sophisticated about healthcare delivery and costs but even then he believed single payer was wrong for America.