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Marines Considering Silencing All Small Arms
Gun Watch ^ | 26 November, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/03/2016 5:05:50 AM PST by marktwain

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Silencers always seemed to make sense for use by the military.

Silencer tech is much better now than it has ever been in the past.

1 posted on 12/03/2016 5:05:50 AM PST by marktwain
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Good stuff. They can even be used to communicate beyond voice range.

SOFs have very mature tactics fighting with silenced weapons.


2 posted on 12/03/2016 5:17:57 AM PST by Justa
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They need to be in the public domain, like .22 ammo.

No stamp or approval necessary and the price would plummet to an appropriate level such as $25-$75 per item.

Sales will be through the roof instantly.

3 posted on 12/03/2016 5:18:44 AM PST by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: marktwain

Try that after artillery.


4 posted on 12/03/2016 5:21:07 AM PST by D Rider
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To: GOPBiker

It is likely the the Hearing Protection Act will pass under a Trump administration.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2016/11/president-trump-will-pass-hearing.html


5 posted on 12/03/2016 5:21:36 AM PST by marktwain
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Silencers or sound suppressors all by themselves are considered "firearms" by the federal government and many states and regulated in the same manner as machine guns and sawed off shotguns. Permission from the government is required, plus a $200 transfer tax is required to legally acquire any of the three.

This infringement of the 2nd Amendment was allowed by the Supreme Court in 1937 when they "found" wrongly that that silencers were not used by the military and therefore not covered by the 2nd Amendment. Evidence was not presented to the court that our military did in fact use short barrel shotguns in the trench warfare in WWI.

Every concerned Patriot should contact their representatives to have the National Firearms Act of 1934 repealed.

6 posted on 12/03/2016 5:23:47 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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It also may help to avoid tinitus and other hearing problems for the grunts later in their lives.


7 posted on 12/03/2016 5:29:51 AM PST by The Free Engineer
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700 bucks a pop. Uncle Sammy should be able to swing a better deal than that.

Of course we are talking about a regime that pays out the butt for a claw hammer

I hope the brass consider titanium construction to eliminate as much weight as possible.

My 30 cal can weighs in at 2lbs and I wish I would have spent the cash to go with titanium now after toting this thing around on the end of a 24" barrel all day now.. But, it sure is sweet when you are bust yoddle dogs at 4-500 yards. The survivors just kind of look around and just wonder what happen to Uncle Charlie. Lots of follow ups.

8 posted on 12/03/2016 5:34:25 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
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To: marktwain

Not a firearms expert:

* What are the approximate sizes & weights for M4 and 50-cal silencers?
* Part of the reason for development of the M4, as I understand, was a shorter barrel for close quarters/MOUT/building clearing ops. Would a silencer have any negative impact in those situations and need to be removed?
* Effect of the silencers on muzzle velocity, trajectory, accuracy?

Thanks


9 posted on 12/03/2016 5:44:30 AM PST by nickedknack
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There’s been a movement to make suppressors cool. Between that and inflation making the $200 tax tolerable, capitalism developed quality suppressors for civilian use. Now soldiers are wondering why civvies have the better gear.

Same happened with .50 caliber rifles.


10 posted on 12/03/2016 5:45:18 AM PST by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: marktwain

In case anyone else is wondering about supersonic ammo.

http://blog.silencershop.com/shooting-supersonic-suppressed/


11 posted on 12/03/2016 5:46:50 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: eartick

Titanium is expensive.

If we are talking mass production, the prices should drop.


12 posted on 12/03/2016 5:48:40 AM PST by marktwain
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“... pays out the butt for a claw hammer ...”

That $450 claw hammer actually costs $15.95 or some such, The difference goes to off-budget items ... or if you like ‘black projects’.


13 posted on 12/03/2016 5:53:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Silencing a 50 cal???


14 posted on 12/03/2016 5:54:18 AM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #MyPresident #MAGA)
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To: marktwain

The US is metals poor and relies on Russia and China for much of its supply of 17 key metals. We import ~80% of our titanium, most of it from Russia. We have zero in the national stockpile; ~35,000 metric tons sold off between 1998-2005 to pay for the WWII memorial (thanks Clinton, GWB, Congress). The titanium buy weight for one F-35 is 30,000 lbs/15 tons.

The amount of titanium to produce silencers is probably trivial compared to the needs of civilian & military aircraft industries. It does highlight the need for us to have more favorable suppliers for all our key metals, including from US sources.


15 posted on 12/03/2016 6:05:16 AM PST by nickedknack
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“It also may help to avoid tinitus and other hearing problems for the grunts later in their lives.”

Now we’re talking, spent 11 months firing rounds up and down the A Shau with 105’s, 155’s, 175’s and 8 inch howitzers not counting several thousand rounds through an M-60. My ears sound like Church Bells on Sunday. OK you can’t silence any of the equipment I mentioned but it was a thought.


16 posted on 12/03/2016 6:24:42 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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To: marktwain

A quick removable and reattachable silencer would be best.

For suppressing fire big noisy loud guns would attract the enemy to focus on a point, while silenced fire to the enemy’s flanks would more easily put them down without alarm.


17 posted on 12/03/2016 6:28:51 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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“Would a silencer have any negative impact in those situations and need to be removed?”

Right now we build a rifle and then put the can on the end as an after thought. Start with the can and build the rifle around it. Instead of building a barrel and adding the can you build a barrel silencing system.


18 posted on 12/03/2016 6:29:47 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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You can silence the blast of most weapons. But supersonic projectiles cannot be silenced as they produce a sonic boom.


19 posted on 12/03/2016 6:30:55 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Dusty Road

The M-60 can be equipped with a silencer.


20 posted on 12/03/2016 6:32:51 AM PST by marktwain
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