Posted on 09/15/2016 3:01:53 AM PDT by broken_arrow1
2) Electors are mere VOTE TABULATORS, not delegates
From archives.gov (my red):
Who selects the Electors?
Choosing each state's Electors is a two-part process. First, the political parties in each state choose slates of potential Electors sometime before the general election. Second, on Election Day, the voters in each state select their state's Electors by casting their ballots for President.
The first part of the process is controlled by the political parties in each state and varies from state to state. Generally, the parties either nominate slates of potential Electors at their state party conventions or they chose them by a vote of the party's central committee. This happens in each state for each party by whatever rules the state party and (sometimes) the national party have for the process. This first part of the process results in each Presidential candidate having their own unique slate of potential Electors.
Political parties often choose Electors for the slate to recognize their service and dedication to that political party. They may be state elected officials, state party leaders, or people in the state who have a personal or political affiliation with their party's Presidential candidate. (For specific information about how slates of potential Electors are chosen, contact the political parties in each state.)
The second part of the process happens on Election Day. When the voters in each state cast votes for the Presidential candidate of their choice they are voting to select their state's Electors. The potential Electors' names may or may not appear on the ballot below the name of the Presidential candidates, depending on election procedures and ballot formats in each state.
The winning Presidential candidate's slate of potential Electors are appointed as the state's Electors—except in Nebraska and Maine, which have proportional distribution of the Electors. In Nebraska and Maine, the state winner receives two Electors and the winner of each congressional district (who may be the same as the overall winner or a different candidate) receives one Elector. This system permits the Electors from Nebraska and Maine to be awarded to more than one candidate.
Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties.
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.
Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.
I agree on that. Bernie supporters will go ballistic if Hillary drops and they choose someone other than he.
Don’t ya know Sanders supporters will be livid IF Mrs. Klinton is dumped and Sanders is ignored, specially for the Mooch.
It is YOU who needs to read the Constitution
Article II, Section 1:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.Under the Constitution, a state legislature does not even need to have a popular vote for President. They can directly select the slate of electors. No state does, currently, but they can.
Amendment XII:
Note: A portion of Article II, section 1 of the Constitution was superseded by the 12th amendment.Note that, in the above, there is NOTHING about a Presidential candidate being on the state ballot, or the electors being bound thereto.The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. --]* The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
*Superseded by section 3 of the 20th amendment.
Post 11 - thank you for the clarification. I personally can foresee Michelle Obama in the VP slot. The Democratic base is shellshocked at this point and will accept whatever their party leadership recommends. Tim Kaine/Michelle Obama ticket. They can’t bypass Kaine for the top slot or it suggests he’s a substandard choice for VP in the first place.
She won’t be able to debate Trump lol
I believe we’ve had our last black president for a while.
Who makes and enforces the rules...Don't count on Congress...
Not gonna happen. Hellary is in “excellent” health.
-—After you get over your initial disgust at the mere thought, think about it for a second and it actually starts to make sense.-—
I thought about for a second and no it doesn’t make sense...
It’s a rather stupid idea...
Roger also said Hillary would never run for President.
This has been on FB for a number of days. Can you think of anyone worse?
If this happens, the courts will rule that “Voters are voting for the Democrat Ticket, not specific candidates” and let her through.
But I see Kaine as the only possible replacement replacement on the ballot for Hillary!.
Michelle might be in line for VP, if she wants it.
Naaa...it won’t be Mooch-shell. Ovomit will never be able to divorce her then.
I think Bannon and Conway have sidelined Roger and attempted to get him to STFU. This is just him stirring the pot with outrageous attention-getting. Can anyone seriously believe this? Obama wants to be free of his public obligations so he can work his machinations behind the scenes going forward.
In most states (I don’t know about all) each party, both major and minor, has to submit its list of electors and alternate electors to the state election officials.
The name of the candidate on the ballot is only a convenient alias for the list of electors.
Example. In MN the Republicans failed to submit alternates. If that isn’t worked out, the Republican candidate for President will not be on the ballot in MN. Of course, the Dems suddenly say “the law is the law” when it favors them.
The difference between major and minor parties is that major parties (those that have in the past reached x% or more of the vote) don’t need to circulate petitions. They can file their elector slate directly.
When minor parties circulate their petitions, you sign to place a list of electors on the ballot, not the candidate. Of course, the elector wannabes are pledged to a candidate.
So when you vote, you vote for the electors... the electors pledged to the candidate whose name you see on the ballot. You do not vote for the candidate...technically.
When and site your source from Roger Stone saying this?
I think the DNC might be arrogant enough to make such a decision, but I think they would be greatly underestimating the anti-Obama votes in the country. Even, if not especially, among black voters.
Many years ago.It was on his twitter account-he said it many times.Ask him,he really was shocked when she did.He never gave an answer why she would not run but everyone guessed it was her health.He knows something we don’t know but has held it close.
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