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I can see 2016 from my house and i don't like what i'm seeing
Lauren Stephens Blog ^ | January 22, 2016 | Lauren Stephens

Posted on 01/23/2016 3:28:08 PM PST by LibFreeUSA

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To: RginTN; MamaTexan
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41 posted on 01/23/2016 4:43:34 PM PST by bushpilot2
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To: RginTN

That is your problem my dear, not mine. Trump hasn’t pretended to be a saint.


42 posted on 01/23/2016 4:47:17 PM PST by dforest
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To: LibFreeUSA

First time I read it. Great Piece. Thank you for posting.


43 posted on 01/23/2016 4:47:33 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Smokin' Joe
It isn't principle, it's pay-to-play.

No crap Sherlock, who do you think made it that way? It was politicians like cruz who are willing to do favors for campaign donations. What, do you think Goldman Sachs is paying cruz's way because they want him to stop crony capitalism? You criticize people playing by the rules you helped to create by supporting typical politicians. It is just very hard to take people like you seriously.
44 posted on 01/23/2016 4:48:25 PM PST by JoSixChip (Ted Cruz (R-Goldman Sachs) - losers are not winners)
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To: RginTN; MamaTexan
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45 posted on 01/23/2016 4:48:55 PM PST by bushpilot2
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To: JoSixChip
No, it isn't my top priority.

I guess you are having trouble distilling it down, so let me.

Cruz is against a program that costs tax dollars, redistributes wealth, and harms every American driver.

Trump is for that program, supports the continued existence of the administrating agency, and supports the continued harm it does to every driver and taxpayer--an obvious pandering to the Iowa Ethanol Lobby (including the Governor), OR, just selling America down the river for the status quo.

I don't consider anything about the latter "Conservative".

Cruz's stance against the ethanol mandate and subsidies is a stance against redistribution of wealth and a one-size-fits-all policy that costs Americans a tenth of their fuel mileage for an 'emissions problem' that might not even be a problem where they live, regardless of where they live--and he's taking heavy flak for it, in a state where the Ethanol Mandate is seen as big bucks for the state.

Does that clarify the issue any?

46 posted on 01/23/2016 4:53:30 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: bushpilot2
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47 posted on 01/23/2016 4:53:36 PM PST by bushpilot2
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To: duffee
Trump appears to believe that getting a deal done, any deal, will be his main focus. The outcome does not appear to be important, just winning and Trump will determine what’s a win.

That's why I'm not backing Trump, in a nutshell.

48 posted on 01/23/2016 4:54:44 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: BCrago66

First, anyone elected to office is free to do whatever it is that they would like to, within their power. There is no guarantee that someone who is bought or unbought will do as they previously promised. Anybody, especially a politician, has the potential to be a liar. Welcome to life on planet Earth.

Second, the mere fact that Donald Trump has borrowed probably billions of dollars from various banks, does not mean that he is owned by them. When you take out a loan, the only thing that you are required to do is to repay it according to the terms laid out. I would not expect that any good long term investor in real estate would put themselves in a position of having their loans called back earlier than they knew for certain that they would have the ability to pay them back - that would leave them in a position of incredible vulnerability, and could even leave you in a position where the bank itself could by Design seize your property and virtually all of your equity in it. Trump is not that stupid. Plus, I would find it difficult to believe that someone like Trump owes the banks anything except principal and interest on his loans, and that he needs to jump through any hoops for them in order to keep the loans going.

In short, if you are going to criticize someone, then at least have your facts and assumptions be correct. If you don’t like Donald Trump, that’s just fine with me. I’m not him, I don’t work for him, and I don’t know anyone who ever has. However, Trump is entitled to at least have criticism of him be fair and reasonable. Criticizing him for being a potential liar, when every other person running for president has that exact same potential, is neither fair nor reasonable. Criticizing him for being owned by banks, is not fair and reasonable when you do not know the facts of the individual financing arrangements. For that matter, I don’t know them either. However, common sense and some knowledge of how business operates suggest that all he needs to do to stay in the good graces of his banks is to continue to repay the loans that he took from them. Frankly, he probably owes so much money that he owns the banks more than they own him.


49 posted on 01/23/2016 4:55:12 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: bushpilot2

Thanks, bushpilot2. That particular document is one I haven’t seen before.


50 posted on 01/23/2016 4:57:11 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: JoSixChip
Trump, the BUSINESSMAN, is one of the guys who invented pay-to-play, along with the corrupt politicians who would do the bidding of the highest bidder.

If no one pays,no rules get bent, and no little old ladies have to fight to keep their houses. (Which she did, but she had to fight for it).

51 posted on 01/23/2016 4:57:46 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: JoSixChip
You criticize people playing by the rules you helped to create by supporting typical politicians.

Let's get one thing straight. I almost never support "typical politicians", so I didn't help create those 'rules'.

52 posted on 01/23/2016 5:01:10 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: bolobaby

Well done. Glad to see Freepers refute attacks on Cruz.

Trump has no record of keeping promises to voters.

He mouths these sound bites but won’t be able to carry his lavish promises out.


53 posted on 01/23/2016 5:02:31 PM PST by garjog (Obama: bringing joy to the hearts of Terrorists everywhere.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Trump, the BUSINESSMAN, is one of the guys who invented pay-to-play, along with the corrupt politicians who would do the bidding of the highest bidder.

No, the Businessman has to play by the existing rules, unless he/she cheats. In Trumps case, he played by the rules and beat every competitor he faced. Contrast that with Cruz who voted for GOPe backed TPA and Iran deal, and now is being funded by the GOPe groups Goldman Sachs and CFG.
54 posted on 01/23/2016 5:03:58 PM PST by JoSixChip (Ted Cruz (R-Goldman Sachs) - losers are not winners)
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To: BCrago66
There's 3 people who know who this woman is, and none of them will read this endless crap.

I just read it. It is very good with important links. Downloaded it with hot links.

Just another source with hard links to counter all the Uniparty mud slung at Mr. Trump here.

I suggest every Freeper with an open mind read it. Those who don't will just call it a bunch of crap.
55 posted on 01/23/2016 5:05:14 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: MamaTexan

You lie. Cruz has zero connection to the gay marriage SC decision.

You’re really desperate to make a connection.

Trump did openly support gay marriage. You take your Cruz smear and stick it back to the pits of hell.


56 posted on 01/23/2016 5:08:12 PM PST by RginTN (Donald J Trump- why would the people of Ky want a rookie senator when they have Sen Mitch Mcconnell)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Let's get one thing straight. I almost never support "typical politicians", so I didn't help create those 'rules'.

Pardon me, but you are supporting one now. And the one you are supporting sure looks like he sold out his votes for TPA and the corker bill for a few campaign dollars. So I think it is not unreasonable to think it is a pattern for you to support typical politicians.
57 posted on 01/23/2016 5:08:55 PM PST by JoSixChip (Ted Cruz (R-Goldman Sachs) - losers are not winners)
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To: MamaTexan

The title document was located in A.P. Morse citizenship treatise.

https://archive.org/stream/constitutionunited00pascrich#page/60/mode/2up


58 posted on 01/23/2016 5:09:52 PM PST by bushpilot2
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To: dforest

Yes, trump is no saint. Which is why the GOPe are starting to back him. He’ll make deals they will love.


59 posted on 01/23/2016 5:10:20 PM PST by RginTN (Donald J Trump- why would the people of Ky want a rookie senator when they have Sen Mitch Mcconnell)
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To: MamaTexan
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60 posted on 01/23/2016 5:12:58 PM PST by bushpilot2
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