Posted on 07/03/2015 1:34:31 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
You’re a good man, cva66snipe. Wish there were more with your strength and wisdom.
From his “potty-mouth” rantings it’s clear you’ve caused the anonymous gator-boy real anguish on this great Independence Day, DH.
I agree!!
I can 100 per cent understand your POV, and I can understand my neighbor's POV (nam vet also, as myself) who delights in setting off things that go boom, as often as possible.
We take our experiences and circumstances and make sense of them to our selves first.
There are probably 2 million opinions on this.
Mine? I like rockets, bombs, the sound and smell of gunfire, not so much for the destruction it may represent, more for liberty, and the ability to secure it.
“Getting a service related disability is the most difficult disability to get “
Yes, it requires a wink-and-a-nod with the separation doctor. The percentage declared, as you know, results in tax-free compensation. It not only is not difficult, it is routine. It is a lie (most of the time) and takes away from folks who have demonstrable combat wounds.
PTSD will only see significant cure rates when there is no longer a monetary incentive to have it. Until then, it will remain incurable, with vets receiving an ongoing revenue stream.
Rent-seeking veterans is nothing new, it’s just taken an outrageous turn with this (subject of the thread) organization putting signs discouraging fireworks because someone may not like it.
Whenever the government hands out money, fraud goes hand-in-hand, as does indignation towards people who point it out, whether it’s SSDI, SS, Welfare, EBT, Obamaphones, etc....
PTSD is just the bucket with which any veteran who wishes to can get money from the government.
It’s the way it is, until the money runs out. Everyone can’t live off of government checks.
“Thanks for the invitation.”
I didn’t invite you. I said I hoped you could enjoy them.
Unlike the folks in the subject of the thread, I wouldn’t presume to tell you what to do or invite you to something that is your birthright as an American.
These folks that are the subject of the thread have no problem telling everyone what to do and not do. That’s the problem.
When he was a kid he lived on a farm. Lightning hit the fence and ran into the house and caught it on fire. All his brothers and sisters got out but two who hid behind the stove. They died in the fire. He self medicated with alcohol. Fireworks didn't bother him he knew they were fireworks. But one traumatic event was all it took.
I posted what I did so those who have it will seek help and so they can understand the nature of it especially if sounds trigger them. I've learned this stuff over 20 years time not in mental health venues but in Vestibular Research sites :>}
In kids the Vestibular Damage is called C.A.P.D. or Central Auditory Processing Disorders and is highly misdiagnosed as having ADD ADHD. That is what I was born with. It's sensory processing damage and the symptoms mimic ADD ADHD. But the symptoms are sensory triggered. An Audiologist or Speech Pathologist can diagnose it today. Meds? Antihistamines maybe no Ritalin or such though it won't work.
When I went to the VA for a physical so I could be referred to their Audiology department the doctor looked at my records, looked at me, then asked "how did you ever manage to get into the armed forces"? LOL. I said I didn't know I couldn't. I also only have single eye vision. I can't use both my eyes at once. They missed that one too LOL. Left eye read the chart, right eye read the chart, pass LOL. Screws up depth perception though LOL.
Oh, I like settings off alright. Fun stuff.
All I describe are the hidden horrors that stay with you as long as your heart beats and sometimes a sudden loud bang - unexpected - brings everything back.
It’s all our own and those latest generations of fighters home from war. The one blessing for them so far is that no one openly insults them or makes fun of them. Those of us from our war weren’t as lucky.
My fellow workers at Lockheed used to drop steel plates behind me to see me jump and yelled “hit the deck” and laughed when I did. We had to deal with hostility or indifference when we came home. The Lefties called us “baby killers” and spat on us. The older vets asked us “when are you going to win your war - we won ours”.
That’s just the way it goes. We have each other, that’s all.
The people in the article aren't saying don't do it. They are simply saying if you know of a recent returned Vet who lives nearby give him a heads up. GEESH this used to be called Good Manners & Common Sense in the nation I grew up in. We shot off fireworks. But if a neighbor was ill etc we went elsewhere to do it and our parents saw to it that we did so. The same went for a shellshocked Vet. We even did it for neighbors who's dog was scared of them.
What you need is a good old fashioned Inner Ear Infection so you could realize just what the heck they are talking about in the first place.
Man! You made my day. I laughed so hard that I almost dropped my beer.
Here I was loading up the F150 to go to a ranch to have a real old time 4th of July blowout. I mean old time...just like we used to have in the old America....you know...hot dogs, HOMEMADE ICE-CREAM in a hand crank wooden ice-cream maker. Gotta teach the young tykes what was back in the 50’s you know. Gotta also teach the youngsters how to be around and play with EXTREMELY DANGEROUS rockets, mortars and really, really big firecrackers.
It’s good to go back in time even for a short period and forget that the entire American way of life is being totally destroyed in front of eyes. Tomorrow I will wake up and enter the real world once again....but I will have fond memories of this afternoon and tonight.
Have a good 4th.
You have described to a “T” why us old veterans and those before us did not have out of control PTSD. It’s about the money. Follow the money.
Back in our days there was no money involved so only those who actually suffered shell shock that affected their lives to the point that they were mentally incapacitated, were admitted to VA hospitals and treated for the rest of their lives.....BUT NO MONTHLY CHECKS!
There is often two very different issues in combat related PTSD. One is the carnage happening to either self or others. That can trigger Phobic responses and mental flashbacks, depression, etc. That generally though doesn't trigger a dive to floor or startle response.
The other is the damage caused by lets say an artillery round or IED explosion in which the shock wave generated can cause damage to the Inner Ear and brain and trigger Cognitive Behavioral issues including diving for the darn floor or a bad startle reaction to noises thus the shell shock many refer too. To a trained experienced eye that can not be faked at least not long. If the person doing the exam knows what the heck they are actually doing simply by asking some questions the patient may not even connect to it will help diagnose it. Dizziness? Tinnitus? Ear aches? Ears pounding during extreme weather changes? Inability to follow or understand conversations even though hearing test are fine. Inability to concentrate and multitask while other noises are occurring? Those kind of questions.
That person doesn't need a hospital they need medication to dull their senses such as Xanax so maybe they can possibly function and get some relief. They sure don't need antidepressants many doctors prescribe as protocol but I doubt anyone can answer why LOL. Some instead turn to alcohol. Now try and find a doctor who will write the script for a Benzo like Xanax or Valium long term. Good luck. Media and government has doctors running scared. I've had several doctors tell me Xanax would not work long term. I'm a 20 year user. Low dose several times a day. It tones down my seizures.
The classic startle type of response as such is not curable unless hearing loss makes it to where they can no longer hear the noise. It is very real and very permanent damage.
The traumatic events meaning phobic responses from injuries there own or others including flashbacks are the treatable part that often or usually can be worked out in therapy sessions. But even that takes lots of time.
You two are a lot of fun - if either of you two ever were in combat, you’d know what effects result from it. You’d have some version of the “flinches” yourselves. It’s impossible not to be affected by combat.
PTSD is some other thing, whatever it may mean. Nobody who knows anything would be dumb enough to apply to the VA for benefits because:
A. The VA can’t fix anything and
B. You end up on the VA’s “too crazy to own guns” list.
You want to see what the startle reaction’s like? Have somebody shoot at you for a while while you walk a few mined trails and voila..
No offense, but “old veterans” served in wars - and they know all about the shakes. Neither of you do.
A government check has never cured anything either.
PTSD is a bucket to draw from the government well.
I don’t know any combat vets with the shakes but know plenty without them
Go ahead and introduce me to those combat vets. I’d enjoy speaking to them.
I suspect they wouldn’t tell you if they did have residuals - you weren’t there.
If you had been where I was and you lived, you’d have the shakes and a Purple Heart.
They don’t brag about their combat experience. They wouldn’t talk to you about it. In fact they’d be loathe to claim advantage online or socially or otherwise. They are (were) fine men.
The only advantage combat service gives if it can be called that is knowing what's real and what's false about this world we occupy.
If those acquaintances of yours were combat veterans, I don't doubt that they were fine men.
It's people like you that I have doubts about.
I wasn’t talking about you.
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