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This Is The Beginning Of The End For The Euro
TEC ^ | 01/27/2015 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 01/27/2015 10:23:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/27/2015 10:23:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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The European Commission's top economists warned the politicians in the 1990s that the euro might not survive a crisis, at least in its current form. There is no EU treasury or debt union to back it up. The one-size-fits-all regime of interest rates caters badly to the different needs of Club Med and the German bloc.

The euro fathers did not dispute this. But they saw EMU as an instrument to force the pace of political union. They welcomed the idea of a “beneficial crisis”. As ex-Commission chief Romano Prodi remarked, it would allow Brussels to break taboos and accelerate the move to a full-fledged EU economic government.
The Telegraph outlined it half a decade ago. Now that a bigger “beneficial crisis” is looming, watch for more of the plan of the “euro fathers” to be implemented.
2 posted on 01/27/2015 10:28:53 AM PST by Olog-hai
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Tinfoiled Again!

Tinfoiled Again!

3 posted on 01/27/2015 10:28:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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blockquote>Sanctions-hit Iran, OPEC's fourth largest producer, said on Wednesday that it considers the "logical" price of crude to be around $100-$120 a barrel. Analysts said the $100 price for Brent is considered ideal by Saudi Arabia...The Saudis will maintain a price that will allow them to avoid budget deficits -- the gov't is not the only employer, but the patronage flows down through those 2000 corrupt princes, and ultimately everything is owned and run by an oligarchy. The only thing that may make that change is the status of the Iranian-Saudi relationship -- if an out and out war (not just the proxy war which has gone on over 30 years) the Saudis will crater the price of oil by pushing up production, to break Iranian finances; and if the Saudis and Iranians reach rapprochement (for example, if the Iranian regime is overthrown) the price will rise above $100/bbl.

Reprise:
OPEC Has Already Turned to the Euro
GoldMoney Alert
February 18, 2004


...The source for the euro exchange rate is the Federal Reserve, and I have calculated the euro's average exchange rate to the dollar for each year based on daily data.

4 posted on 01/27/2015 10:30:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Whoops. Reprise:
OPEC Has Already Turned to the Euro
GoldMoney Alert
February 18, 2004


...The source for the euro exchange rate is the Federal Reserve, and I have calculated the euro's average exchange rate to the dollar for each year based on daily data.
US Imports of Crude oil
(1)
(2)
(3)
(4)
(5)
(6)
Year
Quantity (thousands of barrels)
Value (thousands of US dollars)
Unit price (US dollars)
Average daily US$ per € exchange rate
Unit price (euros)

2001

3,471,066
74,292,894
21.40
0.8952
23.91
2002
3,418,021
77,283,329
22.61
0.9454
23.92
2003
3,673,596
99,094,675
26.97
1.1321
23.82
We can see from column (4) in the above table that in 2001, each barrel of imported crude oil cost $21.40 on average for that year. But by 2003 the average price of a barrel of crude oil had risen 26.0% to $26.97 per barrel. However, the important point is shown in column (6). Note that the price of crude oil in terms of euros is essentially unchanged throughout this 3-year period.

As the dollar has fallen, the dollar price of crude oil has risen. But the euro price of crude oil remains essentially unchanged throughout this 3-year period. It does not seem logical that this result is pure coincidence. It is more likely the result of purposeful design, namely, that OPEC is mindful of the dollar's decline and increases the dollar price of its crude oil by an amount that offsets the loss in purchasing power OPEC's members would otherwise incur. In short, OPEC is protecting its purchasing power as the dollar declines.

5 posted on 01/27/2015 10:33:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve read theories that the ECB’s sudden move to QE was a last-ditch attempt to try and convince Greek voters not to elect this far-left party.


6 posted on 01/27/2015 10:36:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

So since the Greek voters did elect the left-wing party, will they now proceed to forget the whole thing? Maybe they will kick Greece out and forget about them, too.


7 posted on 01/27/2015 10:41:36 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind
If Syriza wins a decisive victory in the upcoming Greek elections, it could create all sorts of chaos…

Can anyone name a very important confidant of our current president who has a well-demonstrated knack for making a lot of money out of chaos?

8 posted on 01/27/2015 10:48:11 AM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Steely Tom

Is George Soros an Obama confidant?


9 posted on 01/27/2015 10:49:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, Soros is Obama’s puppet master.
Soros has conducted fundraising on Obama and radical democrat’s behalf.
http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Soros


10 posted on 01/27/2015 11:01:46 AM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Very clever tagline.
Regarding Tinfoil hat post - in your opinion is concern about EU / Central bank collapse unwarranted?
Wonder if there are any ideal short hedge funds to help ride out turmoil?
Thx


11 posted on 01/27/2015 11:05:19 AM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I can’t short central banks, although I’d really like to, and the only way to short them is to go long gold, silver and platinum

That's making an assumption that precious metals will maintain their traditional roles against devaluation. I don't know how well that would work if the problem is world-wide, or if it does, why other commodities like grains and petroleum won't be just as much protection, if not more.
12 posted on 01/27/2015 11:07:29 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: SeekAndFind

You know, the US and Canada are probably as much alike as any two countries that aren’t already part of a union (such as the UK). We are certainly a lot more alike than the countries of Europe.

But would we agree to share a single currency? I doubt it.


13 posted on 01/27/2015 11:19:46 AM PST by jocon307 (Tell it like it is.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

Democrats’.


14 posted on 01/27/2015 11:19:57 AM PST by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m wondering about all those Greek bonds those foreign banks are holding - and valuing them at parity. If/when Greece reneges, there ought to be some creative accounting pop up.


15 posted on 01/27/2015 11:43:21 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

Yes, it’s unwarranted.

OPEC’s priced in Euros, even while releasing the numbers in US$, in order to keep their product price-stable in Europe, and not lose more ground to Russia. When the price has worked its way up, yes, the price has also risen in Europe. But the change in the exchange rate pertains to the cratering of the price of crude and little else.


16 posted on 01/27/2015 11:51:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Olog-hai

It strikes me as a multi-nation exercise in communism - where all are supposed to support each other and those that produce more are supposed to keep pouring their hard-earned assets to keep supporting the leeches (Greece for instance) that have no desire to contribute. In the ‘60s, many hippies thought they would start communes and live the dream - they came to the sorry awakening that those who produced were abused by those who refused to ante up.


17 posted on 01/27/2015 1:08:54 PM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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It’s more insidious than that. The currency was designed to rob nation states of their sovereignty. The Greek leadership was bought off by the EU elites not for its economic value, but strategic value.


18 posted on 01/27/2015 1:13:29 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SunkenCiv

I may be a little thick here, but what do you think will happen. Will OPEC allow the dollar to sink and keep trading in Euros? The the Euro replace the dollar as the world’s fiat currency?


19 posted on 01/27/2015 1:50:38 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: SeekAndFind

So really the US dollar, which is just another fiat currency, will continue to rise relative to another piece of trash fiat.


20 posted on 01/27/2015 1:53:39 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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