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The experiment: how much tax do we really pay?
Charting Course ^ | 8/22/14 | Steve Berman

Posted on 08/22/2014 5:32:51 AM PDT by lifeofgrace

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1 posted on 08/22/2014 5:32:51 AM PDT by lifeofgrace
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2 days, min., easy peezy.


2 posted on 08/22/2014 5:35:41 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: lifeofgrace

9.25 days


3 posted on 08/22/2014 5:38:43 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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I only want to capture the taxes we directly pay or are included for specific items (like gas) in the final price. I don’t want to go back five levels into corporate taxes and dividend taxes and factor that in. First it would be ridiculously complex to calculate.

Very difficult to calculate, and would be very, very large.

Second, it would be irrelevant to the results.

Yeah, the government wants you to think that. If you understood just how large that was, revolt would happen quickly.

4 posted on 08/22/2014 5:42:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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5 posted on 08/22/2014 5:48:52 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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I agree, at least 2 days. By the time he pulls all of the taxes figures off the regular monthly utility bills, cable TV/internet, phone bills, etc.


6 posted on 08/22/2014 6:05:33 AM PDT by NEMDF
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Then he should look at the marginal rate associated with "making" more (by spending more time at taxable work.

So far, work one does for ones self is still untaxed.

7 posted on 08/22/2014 6:10:23 AM PDT by Paladin2
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It depends on how much you earn—because some taxes are progressive.

But, if I had to guess, I’d say about 1.7 days per week.


8 posted on 08/22/2014 6:11:25 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Cities like to call them fees. Indirectly taxed goods add up too. Add even more for regulatory costs. Every thing ypu buy has taxes built in from the producer. I would say upwards of 60% of all income goes to some form of tax or fee.


9 posted on 08/22/2014 6:17:51 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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Second, it would be irrelevant to the results. Yeah, the government wants you to think that. If you understood just how large that was, revolt would happen quickly. Granted...I mean irrelevant to the results I want to look at.
10 posted on 08/22/2014 6:21:18 AM PDT by lifeofgrace (Follow me on Twitter @lifeofgrace224)
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"But, if I had to guess, I’d say about 1.7 days per week."

Does that include vacation weeks and holidays (math based on 5/52) or on days actually spent at work?

11 posted on 08/22/2014 6:28:04 AM PDT by Paladin2
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I was assumng a 5 day workweek... that’s the way I understood the author’s question. I ignored vacation... for most people that’s a couple weeks out of the 52.


12 posted on 08/22/2014 6:32:54 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Most months there are 20 work days. Two days of taxes would be roughly 10%. The 9.25 days would be around 46% effective tax rate.

Not knowing where the writer lives its hard to be accurate, but I’d say its between 9.25 and 11 days.


13 posted on 08/22/2014 6:42:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I always figured that one only got paid for the days one actually worked (though some, like 0bama, contribute to progress when being absent from work).


14 posted on 08/22/2014 6:42:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: driftdiver

DpM vs. DpW


15 posted on 08/22/2014 6:44:45 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: lifeofgrace

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16 posted on 08/22/2014 6:45:38 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: driftdiver

So my guess of a likely minimum is 40% (2 of 5) or 8 of 20.


17 posted on 08/22/2014 6:46:08 AM PDT by Paladin2
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I don’t think that’s important to the main question at hand.. which is closer to the idea of “tax freedom day.” In other words, how much of your income gets siphoned off and run through the government?

It’s a tough calculation to keep track of. That’s why it’s easier to keep an eye on total government spending in relation to the total economy. I think the number comes out to something 25% Federal and 6% state, in relation to GDP. On average, people are going to have to match that, although everybody’s mileage is going to vary.


18 posted on 08/22/2014 6:47:40 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Paladin2

After more consideration I think I’m low. In New York the effective income tax is 60% for some people. Its easily 50% for many people who make good incomes but aren’t millionaires.

Add in sales tax and the other we pay on a daily basis and I bet you’re up to 60-70%.


19 posted on 08/22/2014 6:49:05 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lifeofgrace

The tax burden on the average American family is about 41%. I believe this figure is from the Cato Foundation.


20 posted on 08/22/2014 6:49:30 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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