Posted on 01/23/2014 6:47:09 PM PST by annalex
Remember the lesson from the October Revolution.
Most Russians wanted to get rid of the Tsar, but the vast majority didn’t ask for what replaced it.
Hardly anyone wanted to "get rid of the Tsar". His Majesty was universally loved by the Russian people and his resignation stunned the nation. City intelligentsia, perhaps, wanted a democratic republic. Nearly everyone wanted an end to the Great War. The comparison between the organized criminal group that runs Ukraine (or Russia) and the last legitimate government in Russia is preposterous.
This said, of course in any revolution it is important that the national spirit is strong. In Russia, it wasn't, and it isn't now. It is important to note that all countries of East Europe used the period after the breakup of the Soviet Union wisely, building up their national consciousness. All countries that is except the Russian Federation, that lost its Russianness instead of losing its sovietness. Too bad, -- but I am happy for Ukraine already, no matter what emerges next.
Hard to know what to make of a revolution where the people, if I’m right, don’t have guns that shoot bullets.
I’ve been reading that nationalist groups have been taking over some of the protests (Ukrainians for the Ukraine, not Russia or EU). If it is true, we won’t hear much more about getting behind “the people” from the media anymore.
The purpose is to keep the putins and the mccains out of it.
Ha, exactly. Nationalism is the only effective political force today, and the globalists know it, and fear it. A nation that knows its national interest is not going to play their little games in UN, EU, USSR, the Soros Fund, etc. We should all learn from Kiev.
BFL
>>The idea is no wear down the government and paralyze it; not to kill anyone. It is important that the protesters stay loud but largely non-violent<<
LOL. Molotovs, handguns....I think it is an ‘oppressive’ government forces who are super lenient.
They are take care not to frighten the bourgeoisie too much. Wouldn’t be prudent. ;-)
Yes, that makes sense. It’s the long haul that matters.
My point was not that there is no violence at all, but that the level of violence is moderated deliberately by both sides. It is Intifada-style, not Syria civil war-style. And good for them; that shows a level of national maturity.
>>>Remember the lesson from the October Revolution.<<<
Bingo. Nationalist Ukrainians aren’t seems capable to run a nation. They had their chance from 1990 into mid-2000s and once a jewel of Imperial Russia and USSR is yet to grow to a Mexican level in either economy, political stability and a lack of corruption ever since.
Nationalist Ukrainians tends to politicize everything and they are stuffing their pockets with any resources they can put their hands on while in office.
What are their input into national legacy? A studies condemning Germany, Russia, Poland and Jews (depending on a direction of political flows at the time) for everything that went wrong in their country? Or maybe a hordes of ‘Russian’ prostitutes selling themselves for dime worldwide, including in Mexico, India and Africa?
That is true, so long as "they" is referring to the old KGB gang that, in Ukraine as in Russia, came to power and took on whatever mimicry the popular mood demanded.
The difference is that in the 20 years a Ukrainian nation has been apparently built and it is ready to broom all the old Soviet governing apparatus. How they themselves are going to govern we don't know, but here's something we do know about them: They are young and uninfected by the Soviet bacteria.
>>That is true, so long as “they” is referring to the old KGB gang that, in Ukraine as in Russia, came to power and took on whatever mimicry the popular mood demanded<<<
LOL. Kuchma’s government are KGB gang?:) The entire fact of these people’s survival through communism is an evidence that KGB was as famous but incompetent as FBI is.
Maybe Yeltsinist ultra liberals in Russia were KGB gang too? I mean a government that forced a head of Soviet KGB (an ethnic Lithuanian) to suicide, dismembered KGB and Soviet Union itself in 1991, shelled a communist majority Congress and gunned down a thousand communist protesters in Moscow two years later?
Neither Kuchma in Ukraine nor Yeltsin in Russia were parts or KGB gangs but people like them are reason why at least Russians elected a former KGB officer less than a decade later.
bkmk
Larger sign is in Russian except the Ukrainian top line:
Help(?) for the Maidan
For each patriot beaten up: ten enemies of Ukraine beaten up.
For each patriot killed: ten enemies of Ukraine killed.
The smaller signs are one in Ukrainian
Sergei Nigoyan
1/24/2014
Killed
[the rest is illegible]
... the other in Russian.
Seryozha, I will always remember you
Sleep in peace, you are a pure and noble man.
God [?} takes so [illegible] the most worthy.
The two bumper sticker shaped say "People of Ukraine" and "Don't make the Maidan angry!". There is also a request for something warm and for cigarettes.
Nigoyan was ethnically Armenian.
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