Posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson
You don't think the government should guard the shores?
That depends on which way the guns are pointing.
I'll ask again...You say the war was over shipping. If the south spent 33 years angry that all the ships were in the north, then why didn't someone somewhere in the south start building ships? If you're right it would have been highly lucrative. They built them when the war started, why not before?
I'm saying the south loved FDR and still do. FDR never lost a southern state and as much as I love the band Alabama, they sang his praises in "Song of the South", 1980s. Carter ans Clinton, two of the most liberal presidents from the south also.
County by county, our differences are rural vs urban, not north versus south. The north has bigger cities, therefore the Dems are able to hold more states, but when the SHTF, the battles will be raging in the north as as much as the south, there will be no Mason Dixon line. Look at Wisconsin with Scott Walker and then look at Austin. Austin Texas is one of the most liberal cities in the nation.
“The Constitution is not a suicide pact.”
Yeah, it’s like the Mafia. Once in, never out.
I have explained why the South voted democratic from reconstruction thru and until Reagan. It was a reconstruction legacy handed down from generation to generation. No matter who the Democrats ran as a candidate no one in the South, blacks excluded, would ever vote for Republican up to say 1980. The Party of Lincoln was an anathema.
Ironically before the 1920's blacks voted for the Party of Lincoln and not the Democrats.
You keep posting how the south would have been the model for conservatism had they won but there is absolutely no historical evidence that that would be so. I don't care why they voted for globalist pro-international-banksters like Wilson, or socialists like FDR, but they did, and those two were the biggest enemies of freedom and American sovereignty that held the White House historically.
The south...pro-slavery, pro Wilson, pro-FDR...not a good record of freedom whatsoever.
Ironically before the 1920's blacks voted for the Party of Lincoln and not the Democrats.
Is that a bad thing?
Regardless the bad history many bluebellies were taught, the war was not fought, by the Confederate fighters, to keep slavery. Slavery was instituted by the Brits and wealthy land barrons, many from the north, not by the poor guys that were fighting and dying for Southern Freedom. Unlike the Union, the Confederate soldiers were volunteers. The Union started the war to force the South to pay higher oppressive taxes than King George had imposed on the Colonies.
Why "ironically"? The "Party of Lincoln" freed the slaves. The Democrats had wanted to keep African-Americans enslaved.
Maybe the "irony" is that very few Blacks actually could vote, because most of them lived in Democrat-controlled Southern states that denied them basic rights.
What you're also missing is the strong populist strain in Southern politics that, until civil rights became an issue, inclined them to support the Democrats.
So let me get this straight - you are actually making an argumant that today, in 2014, the North and West coast are more Conservative than the South and Mid West?
Why lump the Midwest in with the South? What side were they on in the war anyway?
LOL Well for one, the south fired the first shot.
Two, secession happened before there were any taxes on the South.
Three, the Declarations of Secession stated that slavery was the reason for secession.
You guys live in bizarro world.
When folks talk about regional voting trends I can’t help but think “rust never sleeps”. Washington state was reasonably republican until about 30 years ago when the metropolitan areas went lib in a big way. The ratios are still close - to the point where last year the pubbies took back the Legislature.
And if you look at states like Virginia you know (should know) that (one) shouldn’t take anything for granted. I’m glad that southern states vote conservative and hope that they always do.
Oh, and the proposition that without the south the north would be “completely communist”? Pure delusion that ASSumes a whole universe of probabilities.
It's ironic that in the South up to the "modern" era blacks voted Republican and whites voted Democrat and the two have switch. Most would agree that there is irony in that.
Ge lumps in the Midwest because he got schooled by NS on that point a while back LOL ;’)
We're almost there now and that is with dragging the Southern boat anchor which is the only thing holding back the red tide.
Right. Lincoln seized a lot of power that wasn’t constitutionally granted to the president.
Yeah, I'm glad they do. I like to visit the south, I've been down there a few times, and while I like their voting trends it seems like they have this thing for the police state. Roadblocks in the middle of the day, anti-drinking laws so stringent in some areas you can be arrested for catching your toe on a curb, cops staring at you for no reason. My friends liked to go down to Tennessee every year to have a good time but I quit going because of all that, I'd rather party in Chicago. But I do like the people in the south.
Oh, and the proposition that without the south the north would be “completely communist”? Pure delusion that ASSumes a whole universe of probabilities.
Yeah, like I said, Wisconsin is proving that totally false.
Likewise I have friends in North Carolina and they always seem to be remarking about the roadblocks. Fortunately we don’t have that in my state.
Outstanding excerpt.
If the South seceded, and took better than 70% of the tariff revenue of the US with it, the Union would have folded pretty quickly through default.
One take on this might be that the South was providing a living for the US, and the North was not only the principal beneficiary, but then also questioning the manner in which it was provided, in violation of the 10th amendment.
The North had several legitimate economic problems with the South seceding beyond moving from a recipient of tariffs to a payer of tariffs. From the North’s perspective, the peril was real.
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