Posted on 11/20/2012 7:21:32 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama
Meant to ping you to my comment above since I mentioned your name!
Ron Paul and ALL of his Brain-Dead “Followers” Need to be VIOLENTLY Expelled from the Republican Party. They have NEVER been Republicans adn will NEVER be Republicans! They are Pseudo-”Libertarians” and need to be sent BACK to THAT LOSER “Party”!
The R congressman in NH 1 lost by 6000 votes. The libertarian vote in that race was measured in the thousands, 12000 to be exact.
That’s a perfect example of what Libertarians do. They are overjoyed to be spoilers, making Rs lose and Dems win.
“We judge this by what, precisely ? He says so ?”
No, just look at his 25 year congressional voting record. He is a politician who actually means what he says.
No, just look at his 25 year congressional voting record. He is a politician who actually means what he says.
After adding pork for his district, he virtuously votes “No”. Typical self serving lying professional politician. And the all pro homo agenda, pro mozlems are nice people crap makes him a vile nut case. And the deceit about his newsletter - he’s just a con artist.
You may have noticed Iran is not the Iran it was 60 years ago. We wouldn’t want to hold old agreements equally applicable when new states come into being, unless you feel Russia has cassus bellie for our flagrant disregard of the ABM treaty, for instance. Maybe Iran has broken faith since 79; I don’t really know. I also don’t deny outright that there could be a legitimate means of striking at Iran so as to deny it nukes, like for instance how Israel hit Iraq in the 80s, without it being “preemptive war.”
Our recent Iraq War was in spirit preemptive though legalistically a continuation of the previous war. I was not in favor of it, or at least nit gung-ho. But I also didn’t pretend as if it were naked aggression. It wasn’t really about Saddam kicking out inspectors, but rather about denying him certain weapons whether he deserved them or not and about nation building. Attacking Iran could be similar, if there was a broken agreement along the lines of the 91 ceasfire. If, as well, we are willing to occupy it.
There’s the rub. Just war theory is a delicate thing. In this modern era of total war any cause for war is tacitly considered cause for all war. There is such a thing as limited war. If war against Iran is justified on grounds of broken contract, as you say, then our response is only just insofar as we are repaid for what we lost in the bargain and insofar as Iran is punished for its transgression, somehow. Effectively it means we could deprive them of nukes, make them pay for our war, and get a bit extra for the trouble.
It would not justify a war of conquest, which is what it would likely require. A war of conquest would give just cause fir war on the part of the conquered, since wars of liberation are just wars. Then there are practical considerations. We were willing to conquer Afghanistan and Iraq because:
1. We didn’t want them supporting terrorists.
2. We thought the answer to Middle Eastern chaos was “democracy,” i.e. client states (i.e. imperialism).
Does Iran offer the same practical justification? Could we even occupy it if we wanted to?
ut I don’t think it’d work, or for us to have
But wasn't that one of the key issues in Ron Paul's campaign?
My point isn't that R's should adopt every idea espoused by libertarians, or a candidate like Ron Paul, but that attacking those candidates and the voters that support them as a group isn't a helpful political technique. No more than attacking supporters of Rick Santorum would be helpful.
In today's sound bite campaigns, with the media willing to support liberal attack ads it is very hard to promote following the Constitution. But Ron Paul showed that it is an issue that resonates with a sizable group of young voters and that it can be presented in a way which attracts voters. Other Republicans should take note.
It is an issue of course that is 180 degrees away from RINOs like Mitt Romney.
Yes, here is an example from the 1st Congressional District in NH:
Frank Guinta (R - incumbent) 158,659 Carol Shea Porter (D) 171,650 Brandon Kelly (L) 14,251
Had Frank Guinta been able to bring the Libertarian voters into his column he would have won. Probably he could have rounded up some more R voters on election day, since the R GOTV efforts were obviously weaker than the GOTV efforts of the D party. The L party did very little GOTV work. But winning really takes getting more people to choose the R candidate ahead of election day and commit to vote. With no GOTV work to speak of and no chance of winning enough voters chose the Libertarian candidate over the Republican to affect the outcome of the election. A simple formula for victory is for the Republicans to run a candidate who is acceptable to the L voters - many of whom already did choose Guinta over Kelly.
I suggest that getting L voters to vote Republican requires less of a change of position than getting D voters to vote Republican, and can be done while maintaining conservative principles. The L voters mostly want the government to leave them alone, a desire shared with most conservatives.
They'll pick a Republican who shows even limited support for Constitutional government and who will not support intrusive government expansion.
Yeah, they don’t amount to much, half of them are lefties like Bill Maher and Noam Chomsky, and half of them are a mix of liberal and conservative.
I think their best year for president was when they were trying to defeat Reagan in 1980.
Libertarians are lefties and will have to either become conservative on social issues, or continue to run their own center left party.
America cannot give up conservatism or then it ceases to matter or have importance, it becomes just a mere geographical place where money issues are fought over by anti-tax liberals and pro-tax liberals.
Well let’s see:
-—He thinks it’s ok for Islamonazi Iran, which swore to destroy Israel, to have nuclear weapons
-—He accepted money from Stormfront
-—He blamed Moussad for the first World Trade Center bombing
-—He backs the “Palestinians”
I’d be hard pressed to call RuPaul a friend to the Jewish people.
I happen to be a libertarian leaning Republican and had no problem finding my way to the polls.
I’m also a social Conservative. I have no intention of giving in homosexual “marriage”, abortion, or any other Conservative value to gain the “youth” vote.
Problem is that the LP platform is freaky deaky lefist crapola with low taxes and guns, and Paul is deceitful and intones about the Constitution without actually observing its intent. Other than on some fiscal issues.
The R party suck so badly right now that something new has to arise form the ashes, or rational constitutionalists have to take it over. The LP platform is irrational, extremist, and unconstitutional. It’s even worse than the milquetoste R crap. They’re both useless.
Saying the word “Constitution” is not the same as understanding the meaning of it.
If you think genocidal maniacs with nuclear weapons is a good idea, I don’t know what to tell you. But don’t worry, we won’t go to war with Iran as long as Barry disgraces the White House with his foul presence.
The United States was justified for using the atomic bomb in World War II. It made the invasion of mainland Japan unnecessary, which saved countless American lives. It was the only thing Truman did right, I won’t take it from him.
Yes, the US has every right to say who can and can’t have nuclear weapons. There are nations that can be trusted with them, like the UK and Israel. There are those who should be reduced to smoldering craters for even considering having them, like Islamonazi Iran.
Thanks, FRiend!
That makes two of us, FRiend.
Attack ads are fine....when they’re accurate and directed at the right people.
:)
“All ad hominem attacks aside now, please name when Ron Paul favored policies that exceeded the Constitution.”
OK. Here we go:
“Paul made over $157 million in earmark requests for FY 2011, one of only four House Republicans to request any earmarks. Additionally, he made over $398 million in earmark requests for FY 2010, again one of the leading Republican House members. These earmark requests include:
•$8 million from federal taxpayers for Recreational Fishing Piers.
•$2.5 million from taxpayers for ‘new benches, trash receptacles, bike racks, decorative street lighting.’
•$2.5 million from taxpayers to modify medians and sidewalks for an ‘Economically Disadvantaged’ area.
•$2.5 million from federal taxpayers for a ‘Revelation Missionary Baptist Community Outreach Center.’
•$38 million in multiple requests for literacy programs to “encourage parents to read aloud to their children.”
•$18 million from federal taxpayers for a Commuter Rail Preliminary Engineering Phase (light rail).
•$4 million from federal taxpayers for the ‘Trails and Sidewalks Connectivity Initiative.’
•$11 million from federal taxpayers for a ‘Community-Based Job Training Program.’
•$2 million from federal taxpayers for a ‘Clean Energy’ pilot project.
•$5 million from federal taxpayers in order to build a parking garage.
•$1.2 million for a ‘Low-income working families Day Care Program’
•$4.5 million from federal taxpayers for a new Youth Fair facility.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2821103/posts
What Enumerated Powers grant CONgress to spend money on any of the above crap ?
As always, thanks LJ!
Ronpaulism is a cult, and you’ve proved it clearly.
“I’d be hard pressed to call RuPaul a friend to the Jewish people.”
I want a leader who puts the American people first, second, and third.
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