Posted on 03/13/2012 3:39:58 PM PDT by rxsid
You can spin it all you like, you were suggesting that the kenyan took SAD to Kenya to celebrate Kenyatta - but Kenyatta was still in jail on that ‘birthdate’. There’s something wrong with your head, mate.
What you write reads like Barbara Cartland meets 007. Calling the son-of-a-kenyan-goat-herder a ‘princeling’ FINISHED it for me.
Yeah.
I’m sorry, I meant United States in the sense “the States” rather than as a national description.
Okay, when you put it that way, I was NOT suggesting that. I keep forgetting that you and I are coming at this thing from two different angles. My thinking was that Stanley Ann got Lolo Soetoro to Adopt Barry, certainly by Indonesian law, but quite possibly through Hawaiian law as well.
In any case, it looks like we can both agree that the probability of him having been adopted is pretty good.
And that of course leads TO the question : was there a bc with the divorce documents? Probably, but it's been removed, page 11 might have been the request for it, just as page 7 was a request for items to do with the mailing and return of the documents. (IIRC)
I think this is a good possibility as well. I have no criticism (or alternative suggestion) of this notion.
so we can carry on from there, and go with what our own eyes tell us, not with what we have been programmed to see...she had an application for a passport in July 1965, and in August 1968 made an application for a renewal, with the request that the name Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah be removed from the July 1965 passport.
As Soetoro wasn't Soebarkah, (whether you write the names SUTORO OR SUBARKAH) and all of the the names Lolo used are shown and known, isn't the next step indicative of an adoption by SOEBARKAH? (And just btw, if the answer is there are no Soebarkah, or the name is a combination of Soe and Barkah for Barack, forget it) A SOEBARKAH/SUBARKAH was pallbearer at the funeral of SUHARTO.
You'll find it near the bottom:
Kenyatta’s release from prison to a half-way house in April 1961 was greatly celebrated. At the half-way house he could meet the press and public and walk to the village with his Somali bodyguard. It was clear that the British would be leaving when they released the man who would be the leader of post-colonial Keyna.
http://www.enzimuseum.org/museums-of-kenya/site-museums/kenyatta-house-maralal
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Kenyatta House Maralal
Maralal is a small hillside market town in northern Kenya, lying east of the Loroghi Plateau within the Samburu District. The town is home to Kenyatta House, the location where Jomo Kenyatta was detained prior to his release.
Upon conviction and sentencing at Kapenguria on April 8, 1953, Kenyatta remained in prison in Lokitaung until 1959. He was then detained in Lodwar under house arrest for two years. On April 11, 1961, he was moved to Maralal with his daughter Margaret where he met world press for the first time in eight years. On August 14, 1961, he was released and brought to his Gatundu home.
The house was built with the specific intention of housing Mzee Jomo Kenyatta after his stay in Lodwar. It was a halfway house between freedom and imprisonment (he was allowed visitors). Unlike in Lodwar, where access to him was controlled, at Maralal he was free to walk around with his Somali bodyguard to the town downhill, interact with locals and shop from his government allowance.
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ok. have it your way, the kenyan student in Hawaii who was working in a pine-apple cannery for a dollar 53 cents an hour as an ordinary seasonal worker, took his pregnant bride to Kenya to visit with Kenyatta while he was under house arrest...and on the 31st of August, when he completed an INS document he couldn’t remember who he was married to, so he crossed out the first name he wrote, (of whom? the woman he claimed was a US citizen from whom he was separated, living in the Philippines?)then wrote in Ann S Dunham, but forgot he had a child born on the 4th of that same month.
What a piece of work you are. Are there no lengths you will not go to, to keep SAD as the mother sacrosant and the Kenya birth myth alive?
I’ll say it again; we do not know who his parents are, we do not know where he was born, we do not know when he was born.
It frightens you? It frightens me too. But clinging to the myth won’t solve anything, it simply obstructs any further discussion/discovery.
In order to know the truth, a person has to be willing to give up fondly held beliefs and cease clinging to things he thinks he knows, when evidence shows them to be false.
IOW, forget anything written in “Dreams”. Erase it from the memory. Start from scratch, and the picture looks very, very different.
‘Dreams’ is useful only for what Ayres left out (LIKE SEATTLE)and the obvious cover-up, like ‘granny’ Sarah saying to Kezia’s brood, NONE OF YOU ARE HIS CHILDREN! They had to include that, because most of the people in the village KNEW and Mark was the only one to inherit the kenyan’s personal possessions. The clan is STILL fighting over the land...and ‘granny’ refuses to give Malik permission to build a mosque...now why might that be? Could it be because HER son, Joseph/Yusuf with whom the kenyan went to school at Maseno...has the right of inheritance as the eldest son of ONYANGO!
One day we may see Malik wearing that cap and carrying the whisk, but it won’t be until YUSUF is dead.
When I think of the vast numbers of people involved in the criminal coverup, the numbers of people paid off, threatened and heavily implicated - it’s mind boggling. So many know stuff, are guilty, and know stuff about other guilty parties!
It’s bound to come unglued.
I think they are known as ‘supporters’ - they will lie, cheat, steal and kill, for what else have they got but their ideology...which seems to me to be some sort of perverted religion. Remember, Karl Marx never held a job, didn’t support his wife and children, he let the State feed his kids...and it won’t come unglued until they destroy everything that sustains them, and then we will pick them up again, help them rise, and they will repeat - because there are always at least 50% of the population who are cowards and follow the leader, rather than THINK or be responsible for their actions. (rant off)
Which all boils down to WHY? WHY all the lies way back when? WHY even start the lies? WHY were so many willing to go along with the them 50 years ago and WHY were they keeping them up into the 90s. I can see the Kenyan tribe going along with it when he became a Senator but WHY would they buy it lock, stock and barrel back during his childhood and through middle age? WHY, other that it might have been stylish, for the Dunhams to be party to it? WHY would Lolo take on unknown kid? WHY would Sr. bother with some fatherless brat even if he got a free month's trip out of it?
We shall see, we shall see.
Loyalty among thieves is actually non-existent. And these people are not just thieves, they’re worse than just thieves.
Why? Simple. Because paternity needed to be hidden from the very moment of his birth, and one lie always leads to another.
They lied about who Zero was back then because MX was very famous - infamous - then assassinated. So MX’s son had to have another ID. So a fake ID had to be procured; and the Kenyan’s son was born around the same time, was a person “Of color” (not the same color, though, Zero is remarkably pale for supposedly being half Kenyan, his so-called father is dark like night); the Kenyan was willing to go along with it no doubt for $. All the other players were commies. The Kenyan tribe probably didn’t even know of the charade until the early 80s and then money talks, doesn’t it. And if money doesn’t talk loud enough, threats work even better.
Commies have a Mission. They’re driven. And many people will do or say anything for money. There was obviously a lot of money being tossed around. All that traveling - Stanley back and forth to Indo, Pakistan; Zero back and forth from US to Indo, going to Punahou - a very expensive school, etc.
Money didn’t appear to be a problem at all. Someone or something was funding the entire charade.
http://www.niu.edu/cseas/lecture/Spring2011LectureSeries/Spring2011Abstracts.shtml
Laura Iandola, Ph.D. candidate, History and Graduate Assistant, Center for Southeast Asian Studies, Northern Illinois University
Lecture title: Malcolm X, Sukarno’s Indonesia, and the Politics of Bandung
Sukarno, Indonesia’s first president, and Malcolm X shared the platform at Harlem’s Abyssinian Baptist Church in 1956, introduced there by mutual friend Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. The relationship launched there endured until Malcolm X’s untimely death in 1965, two weeks before he was slated to speak at the Asian-African Islamic Conference in Jakarta. He had also planned to attend the tenth anniversary celebration of the 1955 Bandung Conference, the first large-scale Asian-African conference. Iandola explores this little-known relationship to illuminate their ideological affinities as well as the Cold War politics of the Third World.
You educated me on that last time. I still remember. :)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts?page=835#835
I recall having read that before. I was quite impressed with your research.
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