Marijuana Myths

TheCollegeConservative ^ | 02/03/2012 | Alan Groves

[CIDKauf]

I read the article and I can see numerous 10th amendment issues, and the fact the federal laws and the FDA are all probably unconstitutional.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

What I’m saying is that legal alcohol (and by the way, legal over the counter drugs) is at the root of far more fatal accidents, domestic violence, and other social problems in our country than illegal drugs. This is a statistical fact. The reason is accessability - it’s not hard to understand.

According to your link, drunkenness and accessibility increased during Prohibition - so you should support legalization.

History of Prohibition: http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=441

"In 1927, there were an estimated 30,000 illegal speakeasies--twice the number of legal bars before Prohibition. [...] Homicides increased in many cities, partly as a result of gang wars, but also because of an increase in drunkenness."

[JustSayNoToNannies]

I read the article and I can see numerous 10th amendment issues, and the fact the federal laws and the FDA are all probably unconstitutional.

Read the thread and you'll learn how Heritage is wrong about marijuana being more addictive than alcohol, Amsterdam being crime-ridden, how no legal sellers will exist even after legalization, etc. ad nauseam. About the only things Heritage got right were "the" and "and".

[CIDKauf]

...and if they could give roadsides and a blood test to determine if you were under the influence of MMJ so they could hold you responsible for running my child over with your car when you are stoned... then what?

[JustSayNoToNannies]

Then he should be tried in court. Drunk drivers kill people every day, but we don't ban alcohol - or do you think we should?

[carenot]

Myth #1: Legalization Would bring in Enormous Tax Revenues.
It already is doing just that in many municipalities.

It sure is. Sales tax on Twinkies and Cheetos.

[carenot]

Alcohol, cocaine, nicotine (any "ine" really) is completely metabolized within 24 hrs. That's why there is withdrawal.

And that's why people party with coke or meth on Friday, instead of using marijuana. They may have to take a drug test for a job interview Monday. In that way, marijuana leads to using the hard drugs.

[zzeeman]

The article of the original post is from a website called The College Conservative (http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/02/02/marijuana-myths/), not the Heritage Foundation. The author of that article (Alan Groves) mentions a Heritage report in his "Myth #1" nonsense.

Just want to clear that aspect up. All of the nonsense that you list is from The College Conservative, not Heritage.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

The article of the original post is from a website called The College Conservative (http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/02/02/marijuana-myths/), not the Heritage Foundation.

The College Conservative piece is cribbed from http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/legalizing-marijuana-why-citizens-should-just-say-no

[WPaCon]

Norquist is questionable.

[zzeeman]

Ahh, I see. THanks for that link. It looks like Mr. Groves basically re-wrote the Heritage report for The College COnservative. Thanks again!

[carenot]

These guys agree with you.

So did William F. Buckley, Jr.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

Mr. Tax Cut is a questionable conservative? Whatever. How about Tancredo, Barr, Robertson, and Sowell?

[JustSayNoToNannies]

It looks like Mr. Groves basically re-wrote the Heritage report for The College COnservative.

Garbage in, garbage out.

[carenot]

So you support an end to alcohol taxes?

I do.

[CIDKauf]

No doubt about it, but then how do we prove this guy was stoned beyond a doubt? and how can a conservative place like Colorado Springs have a thousand dispensaries or however many there are. I can see Heritage is not anywhere close to the real world. In Colorado a medical card isn’t hard to get evidently, then the patient can go and buy MMJ at a dispensary, despite the fact that US law prohibits possession etc... I would say there are fewer traditional “pushers” we called them, because it is too easy to go to the store regardless of the additional cost. There is no way that there will be legalization of MMJ until there is a conclusive test to determine if the driver is stoned at the time he commits manslaughter, etal... However, I don’t know why anyone cares if all they to do is become a patient.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

There is no way that there will be legalization of MMJ until there is a conclusive test to determine if the driver is stoned at the time he commits manslaughter, etal...

Here's the answer: "In some situations, including accidents and roadside sobriety checks, blood tests may be used. Blood tests are a much better gauge of current impairment than urine tests because they detect the actual presence of THC in the system; however, they can be sensitive to other metabolites as well. Blood tests generally register positive for just a few hours after smoking, though heavy chronic smokers may be positive for a couple of days. Less sensitive are saliva tests, which register positive for about 2-4 hours after smoking." - http://norml.org/legal/drug-testing/item/drug-testing-tips#blood

[KEVLAR]

Sorry, your fantasy does not rise to the level of a serious response.

Was your child run over by someone who was smoking MJ? You have the stats on this, right? Please share.

I’m certain given time a test will be developed. No matter to me, I have no need or desire to operate a vehicle while impaired in any way. Motorcycles and impairment do not mix, at all.

So did they give you a blood test when you were drunk and beating your wife so they could charge you correctly?

Your assumptions are a hoot, just like mine.

[carenot]

Sort of like watching people in a bar? I wonder if the folks in the Medical Shops go home and beat the crap out of their wife and kids, like the drunks in the bars do?

[CIDKauf]

I could see that happening actually. Swab’em and give’em 20 years for vehicular manslaughter!