Posted on 01/22/2012 4:54:42 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
Ad hominem is a poor substitute for debating skills, but it is certainly common among those who are losing or cannot grasp the basic concepts and facts of the debate.
Despite lower birth rates, the increase in human population is still accelerating - with the time between 6 billion and 7 billion being shorter than the time it took for human population to grow from 5 billion to 6 billion - and projections are that we will grow up to 8 billion DESPITE A DECREASE in birth rates even FASTER than it took for us to get to 7 billion.
58% of the world's population live in countries with ABOVE replacement fertility rates - often dramatically well above replacement rates.
If this trend towards lower birth rates continues at the same rate for the next 40 years (a rather dubious proposition) - the world population in 2050 will start to decline.
That is a long way off and by then we may well reach 9 billion people or higher - and absent better ways to sustain this population - a reduction to 8 billion might be a good thing.
People have more children when children are necessary and desirable. It is simple economics. When having children is needed, humans will rise to the occasion. Until then we live in a world with 7 billion people, rapidly becoming a world with 8 billion people.
Good luck beating the drums on the danger of underpopulation in a world with 9 billion people!
And illegal immigrants are an economic drain on these United States - so sad that your delusion has spread over into that area as well.
That is why I ignored your idiotic insults that suggested that I did not understand the material because I came to a different conclusion that you did - because all it suggested to me is your inability to grasp the basic concepts and facts of the debate in favor of your blind adherence to religious dogma.
An adherence to religious dogma so pervasive that you are actually delusional enough to suggest the extra population of illegal immigrants is an economic boon to these United States.
That is so far counter to reality that it shows just how far out in left field your religious dogma has led you.
That's progress. In these times of eclipse of reason, we take what we can get with the stubborn ones ;-)
“The answer to anyone who talks about the surplus population is to ask him, whether he is part of the surplus population; or if not, how he knows he is not.” [1925]
~~G. K. Chesterton
It is you, need I remind you, who took exception to me pointing out that human population was expanding, after you admitted that it was doing so and was likely to rise to 8 or even 9 billion! Talk about not being able to put forth a cogent and consistent argument!
But good luck with your religious delusions - I hope you can really get people to listen in this world of 7 billion people rapidly becoming 8 billion!
And good luck in your fight against birth control also!
Personal freedom is obviously overrated!/s
And illegal immigrants are a valuable resource and should be encouraged to come for the economic benefit of these United States. /s
I will pray for you.
Now its clear your ad hominem was simply your anti-Catholicism peeking out.
Good day, I'll pray for you too.
And you think you are winning such an argument? Calling you “delusional” is hardly an ad hominem at that point - it is an accurate assessment of reality.
I am not anti-Catholic - just against the theocratic idiocy of looking at reality through such a distorted prism that you come up with the idea that the Earth is underpopulated and illegal immigration is an economic boon to these United States.
High birth rates are the demographic model of economic basket case nations.
Lower than replacement rates are the demographic model of moribund socialist economies.
And reasonable birth rates are the demographic model of healthy Republics like our own.
That was my initial point and nothing you have said has detracted from this reality. Your inability to deal with this reality has led to you dishing out insults that your poor delicate sensibilities apparently couldn't take in return.
I am sorry that this discussion gave you a case of the vapors.
LOL! You give yourself far too much credit.
It is about the Earth's EXPANDING population. You acknowledge it, but when I acknowledge it you claim I haven't been paying attention. THAT right there is FUNNY.
I hope you can do better next time - a rather amateurish effort thus far - full of invective blather repetition rebuttal of your own points and a tantrum about a civility you were the first to discard.
A rather pitiful performance overall.
On the contrary, its about population momentum, a momentum about to be lost, at which point the poopulation will start contracting, with dire economic, social and military consequences.
You obviously still do not grasp the realities being discussed in this thread.
No, a momentum that if a recent trend holds at an identical rate for FORTY YEARS - in 2050 or so there will be a declining population.
Until then it is about an EXPANDING population.
And how third world hell holes are not to be emulated demographically and how immigrants from said countries are NOT an economic boon to the United States.
If the expanding population of Mexico is such an economic boon to them - why do they have to have so much of their population living and working here?
If the population of Mexico was still rapidly expanding, this might be an issue. But the fertility rate of Mexico has collapsed over the past generation.
And guess what?
So has the number of illegal immigrants flooding into the USA.
Look up the most recent stats.
Then you can catch up with the debate at hand.
I still see millions of them living and working here.
Left unanswered was why, if the high birth rate was so healthy economically for Mexico - they had to export so many of them, and remain mired in poverty?
Are you saying that if they stayed and worked in Mexico the economy of Mexico wouldn't be a basket case? That is an interesting argument to make.
But really - the issue is an EXPANDING human population - and it will be for a long time even by your demographic “worst case scenario”.
The children now being born -when they grow up and have children - who then grow up and start having children sometime around 2050 - THEN there might possibly be a problem of a declining human population IF current trends remain consistent for almost 40 YEARS!
So your argument seems 40 years premature - at least.
Until such dubious scenarios as a current trend remaining consistent for 40 years play out - the current debate at hand is about an EXPANDING human population.
:)
"...The largest number of illegal immigrants enter the United States, especially from Mexico, but the number of Mexicans crossing the border illegally has apparently slowed to a trickle during the past several years...
"...Other more permanent factors have also been reducing the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico. One important long-term force is the sharp decline in birth rates in Mexico during the past 30 years. The total fertility rate- that is, the number of children born to the average women over her lifetime- has declined in Mexico from almost 7 children in 1970 to over 3 children in 1990, and to only about 2 children at present. This means that Mexican fertility is now not any higher than American fertility, even though Mexico is much poorer..."
my man... you got too much time on your hands...
Right?
Do you know how long/far it takes to turn an aircraft carrier? And what happens if you wait too long to turn away from underwater obstructions? At that point, no matter what you do, you hit the rocks.
Demographic trends take generations to reverse. It took generations for the fertility rate to get where it is today, and its still collapsing.
It will take generations to turn that around.
Actually, compared to a civilian cruise ship, a Nimitz-class CVN is quite manuverable.
I once saw a Youtube video of a new CVN (forget which one) suddenly turning to port during sea trials. The thing did a 90 degree turn at full speed in about 3 boat lengths. The whole deck tipped about 20-25 degrees during the turn.
It was awesome to watch. I wish I had the video link.
The high birth rate is symptomatic of their poverty, culture and corruption.
Why did their high fertility rate 7 child per woman - not lead to an economic boom for them? Why did so much of that population have to live and work in these United States?
It seems using Mexico as an example, that excess population CAN lead to an economic improvement - but only if you have them live and consume resources in another nation and repatriate those dollars back home; and even that was obviously not enough.
Why not?
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