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Rick Santorum is no Conservative Savior, sez troll before getting the ZOT
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| 01/07/2012
| jwpegler
Posted on 01/08/2012 10:41:37 AM PST by octapi
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To: FightThePower!
I have been here for over 10 years. Santorum is not for small, limited government. I classify him as a socialist. Bully for you.
I have been here longer than you, and I say you're wrong.
Santorum is a conservative. His voting record is almost as conservative as Newt Gingrich's.
You can nitpick every candidate to death, but start and end with Romeny.
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posted on
01/08/2012 11:22:31 AM PST
by
onyx
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To: Free Vulcan
He’s back under a different name.
To: American Constitutionalist
Ron Paul admitted last night during the debate that he is actually for the Democratic PartyYeah, I heard that. RPaul made no attempt to correct himself, and nobody else seemed to pick up on it.
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posted on
01/08/2012 11:39:37 AM PST
by
Ole Okie
To: octapi; Old Sarge
"Live Free or Die" Looks like the troll chose the latter.
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posted on
01/08/2012 11:53:47 AM PST
by
Arrowhead1952
(Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
To: napscoordinator
Most repulsive of all is the crony-capitalist, pay-for-access, big government supporting types that people are parading as ‘conservatives’ this cycle.
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.
To: Gunslingr3; Admin Moderator; onyx
So you agree with the guy that just got zotted?
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posted on
01/08/2012 12:14:17 PM PST
by
napscoordinator
(Go Rick! Go Rick! Go Newt! Let's get 'er done.)
To: napscoordinator; Gunslingr3
Gunslingr3 is more Libertairian than anything else. It’s as simple as that.
Understand? *wink*
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posted on
01/08/2012 12:21:41 PM PST
by
onyx
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To: Gunslingr3; napscoordinator; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ..
Most repulsive of all is the crony-capitalist, pay-for-access, big government supporting types that people are parading as conservatives this cycle. Let me guess, your definition of conservative somehow includes leftist like Ron Paul?
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.
That's true, but if a person will not defend the lives of the most innocent and helpless among us then it is axiomatic that they will not defend our Republic.
Take Ron Paul for instance, he believes that each state should be free to legalize abortion AND he also believes America's enemies like Iran should be free to develop nuclear weapons to destroy us.
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posted on
01/08/2012 12:25:46 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: onyx
I’ve been here for over 14 years (so what?) and Rick is no socialist nor is he a liberal or even moderate. My daughter worked for him when he was a US Senator. He and his wife always treated their staff well and respectful. Certainly he isn’t perfect but his conservative credentials are genuine. As Rush said last week, Santorum is not for big government, he is for a strong and efficient government. I agree with you, onyx, lets train our sights on the real threat to the success of the Republican Party next November: Mitt Romney.
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posted on
01/08/2012 12:31:11 PM PST
by
Russ
(Repeal the 17th amendment)
To: onyx
Bully for you!
I've been here longer than you and I don't understand Santorum's defense of unions!...he opposed national right to work legislation.
Santorum also had issues with Jim DeMint on earmarks.
I don't think Santorum is a small government conservative...based on his voting record.
I KNOW Jim DeMint is a conservative!
I'm proud to be a Perrywinkle. I KNOW Perry is a conservative and PROUD that Texas is a Right to Work state!
I don't think it's "nitpicking" to question things about Santorum's voting record! It doesn't scream "fiscal conservative."
If you can't defend it, have me zotted.
That is your MO!
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posted on
01/08/2012 12:35:25 PM PST
by
lonestar
(It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
To: Gunslingr3; wagglebee
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.Of course it's larger than "just" being pro-life. But being pro-life is a big part of being conservative, no one can be a conservative and be simultaneously pro-death ie "pro-choice". Even state by state. Or pro-death as in "doctor assisted suicide" for that matter.
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posted on
01/08/2012 12:58:46 PM PST
by
little jeremiah
(We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
To: onyx
If Santorum were elected President, would government expenditures be higher or lower after 4 years? If he wouldn’t shrink government then he isn’t a conservative.
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posted on
01/08/2012 1:03:29 PM PST
by
FightThePower!
(Fight the powers that be!)
To: FightThePower!; onyx
If Santorum were elected President, would government expenditures be higher or lower after 4 years? Were government expenditures higher or lower after Reagan's first four years? What about after eight years?
If he wouldnt shrink government then he isnt a conservative.
Was Reagan a conservative?
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posted on
01/08/2012 1:08:39 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
""Take Ron Paul for instance, he believes that each state should be free to legalize abortion
but, but, but, wouldn't that mean that each state would be free to outlaw abortion???? 10th amendment... read it... understand it... or go to a totaltarian country...
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posted on
01/08/2012 1:20:52 PM PST
by
joe fonebone
(Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
To: joe fonebone; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
but, but, but, wouldn't that mean that each state would be free to outlaw abortion???? 10th amendment... read it... understand it... or go to a totaltarian [sic]
country... NOWHERE in the Constitution does it suggest that states have the power to legislate away unalienable rights, in fact the Fourteenth Amendment makes it perfectly clear that it would be unconstitutional to allow states to legalize abortion.
How EXACTLY would abolishing abortion make the United States a "totalitarian" country?
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posted on
01/08/2012 1:28:48 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
My point exactly. government only grows under every Republican. I can’t support them because of that. Cut government 50% or stop giving small government a bad name.
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posted on
01/08/2012 1:30:59 PM PST
by
FightThePower!
(Fight the powers that be!)
To: FightThePower!; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
My point exactly. government only grows under every Republican. I cant support them because of that. Cut government 50% or stop giving small government a bad name. So, if you don't think Ronald Reagan was a conservative, who do you believe is a conservative?
And for the record, conservatism DOES NOT SUPPORT "small government," that is the goal of libertarian-anarchists. Conservatives support LIMITED government, there is a huge difference.
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posted on
01/08/2012 1:35:02 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: Gunslingr3
To me conservatism is larger than where one stands on abortion.
Agreed. Hence why I can't support Santorum, because he's a big government collectivist who says
personal autonomy and individualism are overrated, and that "America is about imposing our values on each other."
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posted on
01/08/2012 2:04:10 PM PST
by
Utmost Certainty
(Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
To: onyx; All
The piece related bare facts about Santorum's big gov't voting record, his choice of the establishment Spector over Toomey, Santorum's education background, experience and so forth that marks the poster a troll? Please!
People flocking to Santorum as their nominating salvation need to know who and what he is. If they dig deeper than his "social conservative" message and they may not like what they find.
Santorum's no "Romney killer;" he ran interference for him throughout the 2011 debate cycle.
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