Begin reading at # 180 , and read through # 194 .
Thanks to bluecat6, and Fred Nerks.
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Posted on 01/04/2012 6:33:27 PM PST by Red Steel
Thanks.
I believe there is a date in field 17a. A bleed through from the stamp on the back. But I can not pull it out.
The main point is that the Coats ‘certified copy’ is an image of the original recorded form. The same as the Nordyke twins and the same as Obama’s.
But it is a ‘flat image’. It does not show any bending as if it was scanned or photographed out of a bound book like the Nordykes.
The explanation of the differences would be that the Nordykes certified copy was generated in the 1960s. So their certified copies really are photos of the document taken while it was in a bound book. Coats is a very clean, flat image made to print over security paper. The Coats image is likely from a scanned image stored in a digital document library. And the scan process only pulled out the black portions of the original certificate using 1-bit color. This is how most states do their certified copy images now-a-days.
So the Nordykes (or some other early certified copy that wa s created for the forms were digitized) was likely used as the Obama template. But if the image was authentic AND came from HDOH then it should not have the left hand bend. It should look like the Coats LFBC certified copy.
Just another red-flag to the ‘Laughably Fake Birth Certificate’.
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_rear.jpg
you can possibly see what is stamped on the back.
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/comments/041111_trump_obama/
So 1984.
That makes sense. It is obviously different paper and size than modern (at least post 2000) certified copies or COLBs but it was a different type of certified copy than the Nordyke twins.
It is still an image of the original document. The hand written checks and date (6/21/1962 in field 7e) is still in the image after it was scanned.
And had to be scanned - because that is how you capture an image that can be printed on security paper. The document is scanned using 1-bit color - the 1’s are black and the 0s are then set to transparent. Then the image can be printed over top of security paper and security paper pattern will still be visible inside the document.
Obviously since at least 1984 this method is how Hawaii has provided actual certified copies of LFBCs. And I would be since at least 1984 every certified copy of an LFBC from Hawaii has a flat image that is unlike the Nordyke twins - except one.
By the mid-1980s optical document libraries were common and used DVD-like storage that was called WORM - Write Once Read Many. Ideal for document archival. When these archives are built documents are mass scanned into them. Hence why the later images of authentic LFBCs are flat with no ‘left hand bend’ as in the Nordykes.
Another good find proving obama’s lfbc a forgery. We all really thought it would be a much better forgery than this, but the sad truth is, with a lying Dem media, they can phone in anything.
If anyone cares. The standards are documented and as expected:
http://hawaii.gov/dags/archives/records-management/Comp%20Cir%202001-02.pdf
See paragraph II (B) - Optical systems.
Could Hawaii have altered the original BC for Virginia by changing the number (used for Obama) to the next poor baby not to live long?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2712662/posts?page=60#60
more about the source of the COATS document.
thanks, I don’t follow why the depth of interest in Edith, it’s evident she was born at the Wahiama General Hospital...and the local registrar who signed the document was V.K.L. LEE - the same local registrar whose name appears on the latest zero creation...which, if it suggests anything at face value, is that zero - if born in Hawaii - must have been born at the same hospital as Edith and Virginia Sunahara, because Virginia, according to her brother was also born at Wahiama (SP?)...just as he was, because the Sunahara family lived at Wiahama for the last half a century, as far as I can see...(taking a deep breath)
before I plunge on, the birth and death notice for TOMIYO SUNAHARA (not for Virginia) appeared in the Hawaii newspapers, the first on August 8, and it stated that TOMIYO SUNAHARA was born on the 4th, and died on the fifth.
That must have created a very real problem for when the family wanted to bury Virginia, they would not have had either a birth or death certificate for her, because evidently all documentation was in the name of her father...TOMIYO.
Did this error come to light on August 29? When we see an amended death certificate for TOMIYO (who had not died) and his name is replaced by VIRGINIA.
But unlike TOMIYO, (who would have been issued with a birth certificate BEFORE HE DIED) - because you have to be born before you CAN die - VIRGINIA’S NUMBER is now more than 400 numbers into the future...which fits the amended date for the death certificate of her father.
Had enough yet? What I want to know is, what happened to the birth certificate number issued to the child (wrongly named) on 4th AUGUST.
IS THAT A BLANK, DOES IT REMAIN IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER? OR DOES THAT NUMBER NOW ‘BELONG’ TO ZERO? JUST WHO STARTED OUT WITH 10641?
I am not the least surprised that the HDOH would tell the Sunahara family they do not have a birth certificate record for Virginia born August 4, 1961. There must have been a record for TOMIYO on that date.
BUT WHAT IS THERE NOW?
This thread has completely blown me away! It is really amazing to see facts begin to coalesce!!!! What is really incredible is to see research from two different points...the birth certificate issue and the communist political family...beginning to come together. Thank you, Red Steel, for staying the course with so many others. One day, maybe those with the resources and will, can bring the truth to light. I continue to hope and pray for justice in this matter. Wish I had ability and resources to pitch in, but I can pray!
I went back and reviewed the info related to “Newman”. I ran across this link which makes me skeptical of this vein of research.
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/tag/jo-ann-newman/
At least the birth certificate line is dealing with actual paper. Is it possible to ever know the truth?
Is there an image of the Sunhara COLB online? What is the number on it?
Thanks in advance,
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It appears there is a number/sequence problem, and that there is a problem with the statements that “no records exist for Virginia.”
This analysis seems to make it clear certificate number 10641 belongs to a birth which DID NOT take place at Kapiolani:
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/04/out-of-order-obamas-non-sequential.html
CONCLUSIONS
Obama’s birth was not registered in the same Health Department office as the Nordyke twins and hundreds of other births occurring the week of July 30 – August 5th at Kapi’olani hospital. Birth numbering order was established by federal standards according to geography not chronological order of births, in order to maximize accuracy of natal statistics reporting over as wide as possible a registration area throughout the entire U.S. Chronological ordering alone presented a highly disproportionate risk of under-reported rural, non-hospital and non-resident births due to the U.S. Department of Health’s 50%-reporting method based only on even-numbered certificates.
If state’s reported only even-numbered births from all births in chronological order, and the walk-in registrations from a particular region all happened to fall on “odd-numbered” birth schedules, they would not be reported accurately for that region. This is why regional reporting was enacted over chronological reporting. However, regional reporting also created non-sequential numbering with respect to birth date and time.
The publication of Obama’s birth announcement near the bottom of the columns of the two newspapers, printed lower than announcements for births which occurred after his, indicates that his birth registration document was received and ordered in accordance with geographic location, not chronological order or alphabetic order. This, therefore, indicates that Obama’s birth actually occurred in a location other than Kapi’olani hospital.
Dr. David Sinclair was not present during the delivery of Barack Obama. However, since he was the first physician to examine baby Obama and his mother at Kapi’olani on August 7th or 8th, he is legally bound to record his signature as the attending physician of record at that time. Per HRS 338, the naming of the hospital is subsequent to the naming of the doctor where the examination, not the birth, took place.
Since Dr. Sinclair was not the birthing physician, he could not officially attest to Obama’s birth weight, which is absent from the HDOH Certificate of Live Birth Registration.
The name of local registrar is different on Obama’s HDOH Certificate of Live Birth Registration because Obama’s birth was not registered in the same branch office of the Vital Statistics office as births occurring at Kapi’olani.
As testified by the 1961 Vital Statistics of the United States Report, Obama’s birth registration number is non-sequential with other births at the same time because it was assigned by the main office of the HDOH after it was received from one of multiple registration offices in Hawaii. The HDOH assigned Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth a registration number based on its geographic registration location, not chronological occurrence in a hospital.
Obama’s recently revealed Certificate of Live Birth was created and issued by the Hawaiian Department of Health through administrative procedures based on HRS 338 and Administrative Rules. It was not generated by any hospital and was only attested by an attending physician after an examination of the newborn Obama qualified the HDOH to issue an original birth certificate provided by HRS 338-17.8.
Therefore, the geographic location of Obama’s actual emergence from his mother’s womb remains a mystery.
Begin reading at # 180 , and read through # 194 .
Thanks to bluecat6, and Fred Nerks.
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“Since Dr. Sinclair was not the birthing physician, he could not officially attest to Obama’s birth weight, which is absent from the HDOH Certificate of Live Birth Registration.”
Is there a birth weight on the Nordyke’s or any other 1960’s Hawaiian BC?
Also have you seen the image of the upper portion of the Virginia Sunahara Death Certificate. The name Tomiyo is crossed out and the name Virginia is there. There is also a handwritten notation of what appears to be 8/29/61, which may be the date the name Virginia was added to the BC and DC.
no, I can’t see any birth-weights anywhere...funny thing is, I recall an excerpt from something zero wrote (probably not ‘Dreams’) in which he says when he found his birth certificate when he was 15, he saw that his weight was over nine pounds...and the certificate was GREEN.
(sorry I didn’t keep a link)
and yes, the death certificate for Virginia appears to have been made out in the name of her father, and what you see is an amendement dated August 29, which was initialled.
“Hm. Well, my mother told me as a kid what my birthweight was (9 pounds 15 ounces), and I remembered it from that. I don’t remember seeing a copy of my birth certificate until I was 15 and getting my learner’s permit, and I didn’t look at the birth weight section. I’m 43, and I couldn’t tell you where the birth weight section on my birth certificate is–I just remember that it’s on green paper…”
so it seems he didn't see his birthweight on HIS document either...but it seems he must have had a COLB (abstract) when he was 15. And a COLB is NOT a birth certificate.
I have heard this before but never had seen this analysis.
They probably had the birth at home with a midwife.
What they are hiding then is simply the adoption of our first Indonesian citizen president, raised by foreign nationals as a foreign citizen.
After reading this I don't think Virginia's BC is involved.
“if it suggests anything at face value, is that zero - if born in Hawaii - must have been born at the same hospital as Edith and Virginia Sunahara, because Virginia, according to her brother was also born at Wahiama (SP?)”
WND produced a medical journal article from 1955 that said that from 1950 Oahu had four registrars.
“A local registrar in each county is responsible for supervising the registration system within his area and for collecting and forwarding certificates to the Bureau of Health Statistics. In the counties of Hawaii, Kauai and Maui, the county health officer acts as the local registrar; in Honolulu, the local registrar is a full-time employee within the Bureau of Health Statistics.”
“Beginning in l901, government physicians served as local registrars. In 1950, a change was made to county health officers and the Bureau of Health Statistics’ employee on Oahu, thereby reducing the number of registrars from 35 to four. Since the central office can deal more easily with four officials than with a larger number, this reduction greatly simplified administration of the system. With present-day communication facilities, the reduction in number of registrars does not inconvenience the public.”
It doesn’t appear that each hospital had their own local registrar.
There is also this about how BC are filled out.
“A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it. Then the attending physician enters certain medical data and affixes his signature. Finally, the hospital sends the completed certificate to the local registrar.”
http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf
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