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After The Collapse – Who Will Your Neighbors Be?
SHTF Plan ^ | 11-4-2011 | Brandon Smith

Posted on 11/05/2011 5:39:11 PM PDT by blam

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To: familyop

POPCORN!!!! That’s one thing I don’t have, how could I have forgotten?


61 posted on 11/05/2011 9:04:39 PM PDT by tiki
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To: MHGinTN; hiasm; dervish; BigpapaBo; To Hell With Poverty; Humidston; Marmolade

PING!


62 posted on 11/05/2011 9:05:31 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Col Freeper

ping!


63 posted on 11/05/2011 9:06:39 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: heartwood

I have several aunts and uncles, all in their mid to late eighties. They weathered the storm well.

But if I have to hear about the great depression, and then how cold it was in Europe in 1945, I will just sit in the dark and cry.

On the other hand there were children dropping their elderly parents off at the local shelter because the parent had lost power, but there was no room for them in the kid’s house.

Those people should not be allowed to have power.


64 posted on 11/05/2011 9:10:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Kartographer

We are on the edge. Everyday there is a new story about the ‘Yutes’ who grow more restless everyday and when you add the fact that because of the economy people are already on edge it won’t take much to set things off.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

Today we have ‘yutes’ who roam our streets who are with out morals, without respect for law or life itself. They will look are you with the same ‘doll eyes’ a shark does before he eats you and they will feel no more compassion than the shark does.

That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do to stop the ‘yutes’. On the other hand the ‘yutes’ won’t think twice nor lose a minute of sleep, in fact they will smile and laugh about it.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

If you like to read more about what SHTF in Bosnia was like take a look at this post on Bosnia War Survivor Selco’s post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2798007/posts

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3


65 posted on 11/05/2011 9:11:06 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: GreyHoundSailor

My mom lives across the lake from you in Derby. She has two winters worth of wood, a bunch o food in the pantry, and a wood stove from the ‘20’s that she can cook on. She was concerned for us last week, and she just figured she and my dad had taught us well enough.

I cannot wait to move up there when I am done down here in MA. And I don’t drive a BMW. And I would fit in.


66 posted on 11/05/2011 9:16:45 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: FourPeas

That’s the phase we’re in. But some months, I get nervous about restocking, especially when the global economy seems to be on a knife edge. So, when I see that something has inched upwards, I might pick up two. If it has inched downwards and the shelf seems rather empty, I might buy four. In the first instance, it will go up further. In the second, I can’t be sure it isn’t about to be re-sized and repriced or production will be cancelled completely.

The day will come when some things are in short supply everywhere, or have disappeared completely from the shelves. So, instead of having realized a profit of 30%, we will find ourselves looking at whatever it is and thinking “priceless”.


67 posted on 11/05/2011 9:21:24 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: stormer

Actually “Deliverance” was filmed right around there. Things have changed a lot since 1972. They got McDonalds. LOL!!


68 posted on 11/05/2011 9:33:01 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: CodeToad
I wasnt gonna answer till u improved on it...Then I thought..I can add something...

Maybe change it to: “The ones I don’t eat I’ll sell the pelts...

69 posted on 11/05/2011 9:33:58 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Vermont Lt

A big stack of wood and a wood stove is such a comfort here. You can cook a lot of things on it, and of course when it gets cold and you have no power, it sure does come in handy.

Also comes in handy when you do have power. Glad I also have 5 wooded acres and a state forest of 100+ acres right next door too (we’re the last property before the state forest, with state forest across the street).

Our biggest problem is we live close to some of the most violent cities in the country (New Haven, Hartford). Maybe far enough to not be found, but maybe not.


70 posted on 11/05/2011 9:48:27 PM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: All

Even with a supply, I’m hitting the streets the first day. A lot of people would stay in as much as possible, but I would like to keep a (distant) observing eye on which gang / drug cartel is winning their war.

When people exhaust their supplies (Days, weeks, months) They’ll have to leave at some point. Even after “Years on the farm”. I don’t want to walk out, only to be “Late to the game” and find a dramatically changed world that I’m not ready to deal with.

I’ll still be out, still be getting supplies. Strike at correct moments, build new business and make new friends.

On the topic of bringing people in on the supplies, I’ve had this conversation with my wife:

“I would like to be ready for at least 6 months”
“What about your single sister and her 4 kids ? What about your mom ? Or even your friends? Are you going to turn them away”
“I don’t think I could, why would you ask?”
“That 6 month supply just became a 2 week supply.”

I couldn’t turn people away either. Couldn’t do it. I have enough things around here for people to be busy. The more the merrier, I say.

The supplies WILL be exhausted. I think it’s better to adapt , establish yourself as a legitimate (And well armed) trader, friend and local hero (of sorts). Get out on day 1 and find the stuff. Don’t “start” hunting, but instead “Never stop” hunting.

I wouldn’t want to leave my shelter and then have to play the games of the big local gangs and suppliers. Not me.


71 posted on 11/05/2011 10:47:21 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: BobL
I retired from Texas Instruments on SW freeway there in Houston at the end of 1994. I know Houston.

There are more people in the Houston metro area than the whole state (Alabama) I live in now.

72 posted on 11/05/2011 11:52:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: Betis70
Rich liberals sure do whine a lot.

OTOH, they have a lot of stuff and are rarely armed.

73 posted on 11/06/2011 1:23:05 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: blam

“There are more people in the Houston metro area than the whole state (Alabama) I live in now. “

Yep...tell me about it.


74 posted on 11/06/2011 2:58:02 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“You gotta stock up now anyway while food prices are still relatively low (but rising). They will keep rising 5-10% a year for the near future, I expect.”

If we’re lucky. I’m more in the camp that imports will triple in price and domestic prices will double (but it will vary for domestic prices...based on their import content).

As I see it, this happens once the dollar dies, and trade turns into a barter system, as what happened to Iceland, until the IMF bailed them out. But we’re too big to bail out - so we’ll export a boatload of grain, and hopefully get some spare parts for trucks and tractors for it...hopefully.


75 posted on 11/06/2011 3:05:06 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“In many scenarios most people know police are stretched thin. In personal one on one conflicts, no witnesses, heresay, etc, the living person can say the other freaked out and it was self defense, etc.”

It depends on the level of breakdown. The Argentina guy used to say (regarding Argentina) that if you had put on a camo suit, wore an AK over your shoulder, had a few side arms and grenades on your waist, and then went shopping at the corner grocery story, you’d get thrown in an insane asylum. There was a functioning government - but you are right in that there was a lot more crime overall and people had to really watch out and take care of themselves.


76 posted on 11/06/2011 3:09:37 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: tiki

“About the marauding gangs, the Bosnian guy suggested breaking a few of your own windows and throwing stuff out in the yard to make it look like your place has already been looted.”

I read the Bosnian guy’s report but missed that part. Pretty clever...but who knows. He was dealing with a full-up civil war there, playing out street by street. I don’t think we’ll quite get to that - but you never know.


77 posted on 11/06/2011 3:12:44 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: M-cubed

““The ones I don’t eat I’ll sell the pelts.”

lol! Even better!


78 posted on 11/06/2011 6:43:41 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: BobL
“About the marauding gangs, the Bosnian guy suggested breaking a few of your own windows and throwing stuff out in the yard to make it look like your place has already been looted.”

Yup.

He said the smell was almost unbearable. I think there was a lot of dead 'stuff' rotting.

I'll leave the zombie bodies where they fall in my yard.......(ahem)


79 posted on 11/06/2011 7:15:09 AM PST by blam
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To: RegulatorCountry

In my “redneck” area we keep track of those types. An informal neighborhood watch.


80 posted on 11/06/2011 7:56:54 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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